Can someone tell me where in the 2nd amendment it says you can carry machine guns?

[Brian37]

Sorry. I fucked up the quote tags. I was trying to quote something Brian said in response to you.

Brian wasn't replying to you, and I'm not sure how that happened. I was trying to quote him though and not you.

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No Popey

The worst you are getting from me are blunt words, I think you have your priorities out of whack, that man murdered by his wife I posted, and the 98 people who die every day on average, as well as the victims of Newtown who cannot speak now, they have it far worse than you do and so do the family members whom survive them. I could care less if you think my word choice is "acting like a child", you sound like the Pope who said "If you pick on religion you should expect to be punched"......

I could care less what you think of my word choice. We have a gun violence epidemic and all I get from your side is "shoot more and sell more". Nope sorry, if the status quo was working nobody would be bitching. I think the victims and their families are far more important than getting your bad logic attacked or your feelings hurt.

Actually Brian it was the wife that killed the husband. Dollars to doughnuts says she didn't kill him with a machine gun or a semi automatic rifle. She probably didn't even use a Glock with a 30 round magazine. She probably used a small handgun that only holds 6 or 7 rounds. The kind of gun that you have said in the past is the only type of handgun that should be legal for the public to buy.

Where did I claim she killed him with a machine gun, this is about firearm deaths to me from all types. 

Nobody needs war weapons but machine gun or hand gun, my point was my bet is that this death was the result of a legally purchased firearm. 

Outside firearm suicide domestic murder is again, both are far more likely to happen in the home than a successful stranger on stranger conflict in self defense. 

Again, none of what I said is calling for all out bans on every single type. I am simply pointing out that most "legal at time of buy" no matter the type, want to think about what is more likely going into that use of a firearm.

Outside that, no, nobody needs war riffles, and nobody needs big clips riffle or handgun.

98 people a day die from picking up and pulling the trigger on a firearm, and most of the time the injured or dead are someone the user is familiar with, if not themselves.

I am on your side here buddy. I think you understand this better than many being a firearm owner yourself. Again, if enough people had your attitude I doubt we would have the amount of firearm deaths we do. The way you talk you seem to take use of a firearm very seriously. I am not confident that the 36,000,000 who die per year had that same attitude going into use of a firearm before hand. I am sure most of those who die had tons of good intent.

Newtown happened with a machine gun, VA Tech happened with hand guns, I see lack of good vetting and ease of access as a huge part of the problem, in the case of this lady murdering her husband I am also sure long before this happened nobody in their family thought it would happen, much less the victim.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Just for comparison purposes can anybody give me legit numbers for most people killed by a single person without and with using a gun in a single incident?

[Minimalist]

For nearly ten years the Virginia Tech shooting (32 dead) was the largest single mass murder using a gun.  It was surpassed by the Orlando nightclub shooting in 2016 ( 49 dead.)

When you say without a gun I assume you mean with some other type of weapon?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

For nearly ten years the Virginia Tech shooting (32 dead) was the largest single mass murder using a gun.  It was surpassed by the Orlando nightclub shooting in 2016 ( 49 dead.)

When you say without a gun I assume you mean with some other type of weapon?

Or stern looks.

WTC type things were group efforts, so shouldn't count on this.

[popeyespappy]

For nearly ten years the Virginia Tech shooting (32 dead) was the largest single mass murder using a gun.  It was surpassed by the Orlando nightclub shooting in 2016 ( 49 dead.)

When you say without a gun I assume you mean with some other type of weapon?

Or stern looks.

WTC type things were group efforts, so shouldn't count on this.

I guess that rules out McVeigh's 168 too?

Bath School Disaster

Andrew Kehoe killed his wife and 36 children before he used a rifle to detonate dynamite in his truck killing himself and another 7 who were responding to the emergency at the school where he killed the kids.

ETA It was 36 kids and 3 adults before using rifle to detonate dynamite in his truck killing himself and 5 others. There were an additional 58 non-fatal injuries.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

My sloppy. Bombs are not personal weapons, and that's what I was interested in. If we go with bombs, I'd be in the running, when I was a 20 yo with a radio and heavens were full of BUFFs. 

So let's go with a single person wielding a personal, not area, weapons. That eliminates Col. Tibbets.

[Fireball]

My sloppy. Bombs are not personal weapons, and that's what I was interested in. If we go with bombs, I'd be in the running, when I was a 20 yo with a radio and heavens were full of BUFFs. 

So let's go with a single person wielding a personal, not area, weapons. That eliminates Col. Tibbets.

"Puff the magic dragon" (AC-130 Spectre) for the win. I knew guys who went to Viet Nam and loved those.

[popeyespappy]

William Unek killed 21 people with an axe in 1954. 3 years later he went on another killing spree and killed 36 more, but 26 of those were shot.

Do trucks count? The asshole in Nice killed 80 something with a truck.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

My sloppy. Bombs are not personal weapons, and that's what I was interested in. If we go with bombs, I'd be in the running, when I was a 20 yo with a radio and heavens were full of BUFFs. 

So let's go with a single person wielding a personal, not area, weapons. That eliminates Col. Tibbets.

"Puff the magic dragon" (AC-130 Spectre) for the win. I knew guys who went to Viet Nam and loved those.

Crew served weapons, not personal weapons. Of course you couldn't convince the pilots of that. Nothing like a heavily armed trash hauler, however.

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William Unek killed 21 people with an axe in 1954. 3 years later he went on another killing spree and killed 36 more, but 26 of those were shot.

Do trucks count? The asshole in Nice killed 80 something with a truck.

Both would count, I think. No hard-and-fast rule on this, just an exploration.

[popeyespappy]

Both would count, I think. No hard-and-fast rule on this, just an exploration.

I'm going to go with Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel then. He killed 86 and injured 434 with the truck.

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As far as personal firearms go the largest single incident I'm aware of would be the Anders Behring Breivik shooting. He killed 69 and injured another 165 with a gun/s. This was just a couple of hours after he set off a car bomb in Oslo that killed 8 and injured 209.