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Do extreme right wing males have an inferiority complex
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RE: Do extreme right wing males have an inferiority complex
Lek Wrote:
Mister Agenda Wrote:Reading Luckie's post and interpreting it as 'an attack on white men' is not a good sign. It also speaks to the insecurity issue in the OP. Then there's the fact that you even wonder if she's saying that you bought a gun so you could use it to go out an shoot minorities. She didn't say anything close to that so the slander is all in your head.

Get a grip, Lek. It's shit like that which makes people think you're a racist, not that you're a white man who owns a gun. You're not the only white guy on this forum who owns a gun. It's like you're ticking off boxes from the crypto-racist scorecard. I'm hoping you won't make it to BINGO.

"If anything, "Bearing Arms" in an open carry state is a death sentence for anyone who isn't white."

This quote from Luckie's post is appears to me to be a racist statement against white people.  Looks like she's saying that white people with guns use them to shoot non-whites.

Or she could be saying that people of color open carrying are more likely to be shot by police than white people open carrying.

Lek Wrote:"Nothing. They're scared of the army, the police, racist militia, rogue middle aged white men in movie theatres, and.. each other."

"Unless I'm mistaken and you aren't an entitled middle aged white male?"

Two more quotes.  The last one directed at me.

Quotes about what they're scared of. That they're reasonably concerned about getting shot by middle aged white men and would be concerned about being shot by you since you are one, does not imply that you want to shoot them.

Lek Wrote:"Mainly because I'm not interested in talking to a fucking racial apologist."

Another quote from her post directed at me.  Sounds pretty racist to me.  

Yeah, racists often complain about how being called a racist is so racist. Her accusation is based on your words, not your skin. I'm a middle-aged white man too and not against gun ownership, though I haven't bothered to own one myself. What could be the difference between how Luckie speaks to you and how she speaks to me? Do you think if I bought a gun she'd start calling me a racial apologist?

Lek Wrote:This is what so many are doing these days.  Instead of making the effort to address comments, they just call the person a racist or a fascist or something.  Then when I point it out and ask for facts people like you say it just make me look racist.  If I don't say anything I'm agreeing.

She called you a racist, or at least implied it, AND made the effort to address your comments. It's like you can't even see the serious part of her response because of the part that hurt your feelers. You asked for the facts and got the facts, but you choose to focus on the attitude. Focusing on the attitude is understandable, but you don't get to say she didn't address what you said, because she did.

And as I said elsewhere, if being called a racial apologist bothered me so much, I would take that as a signal that at some level I think there's something to it. If I turn it over and around and am honest with myself and find that I have no doubt that I really wasn't saying anything that could be reasonably interpreted as racist, then I can go forward without being too offended by it.

That doesn't mean white people don't get to be offended by being called racist even when they aren't being racist, it's a word that triggers emotional responses and you don't have to be Vulcan about it. But I'm telling you that being hyper -defensive about it sounds like 'protesting too much' and often inclines readers to be more likely to think that there's something to it.

White men aren't being oppressed just because people notice they are, in many ways, treated better by society and especially the police than people of color, on average. And they're not being oppressed if I leave out the 'on average' part because it should be understood that if someone doesn't say EVERY white man, they don't mean EVERY white man.
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#32
RE: Do extreme right wing males have an inferiority complex
Well, that's the way you look at it, but this is a forum.  When I get spoken of that way I need to reply.
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#33
RE: Do extreme right wing males have an inferiority complex
I get that. Smile
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#34
RE: Do extreme right wing males have an inferiority complex
(May 5, 2017 at 9:34 pm)Lek Wrote:
(April 30, 2017 at 8:33 pm)Luckie Wrote: The truth is, we need one another. The truth is, we could just kill each other. The truth is, a gun is what helps middle American white males feel secure in an unsecure, insecure world. And rich white American males are totally fine, with giving them a reason to believe that.
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What makes non-white middle American men and women gun owners feel secure?

Lek this is the question that led me to believe that you're a racial apologist. If you aren't one, correct me by all means. It's possible (although however unlikely) that you didn't know the implications of your question in such specific context about this specific topic.

(May 8, 2017 at 3:35 pm)Lek Wrote:
(May 7, 2017 at 2:29 am)Luckie Wrote: On second thought, don't answer that. Partly because there is a blatant pattern in this officers' actions towards students, and Mainly because I'm not interested in talking to a fucking racial apologist.

If you're going to call me a racist, please point out what makes me one.  It's a very common tactic to call someone a racist and avoid the issues.  Tell me what have I said that is racist?  You're the one attacking white men of which I am one.  Do you expect me to sit back and take it without saying a word?  I own a gun.  Are you saying that I bought it to go out and shoot minorities?  Where do you get the right to slander people you don't even know?


Angel  You haven't denied it yet, have you?


Do me a favor and define "Attacking" as it pertains to my previous posts.


 
(May 8, 2017 at 4:33 pm)Lek Wrote:
(May 8, 2017 at 4:04 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Reading Luckie's post and interpreting it as 'an attack on white men' is not a good sign. It also speaks to the insecurity issue in the OP. Then there's the fact that you even wonder if she's saying that you bought a gun so you could use it to go out an shoot minorities. She didn't say anything close to that so the slander is all in your head. 


Get a grip, Lek. It's shit like that which makes people think you're a racist, not that you're a white man who owns a gun. You're not the only white guy on this forum who owns a gun. It's like you're ticking off boxes from the crypto-racist scorecard. I'm hoping you won't make it to BINGO.

*highlight per moi

See? I'm not the only one getting the racist vibe from you. I think Mister Agenda said it better than I could. Also in order to slander you, I'd have to be false in my assessment that you're a racial apologist. Your responses only concreted my assertions.
 I already presented my evidence as to why your loaded racist leaning apologetics question demonstrated that you are either clueless about or most likely in denial about obvious social imbalances within our society.

 Racists deny that these inequities exist, thus they always act surprised and begin claiming foul, then accusatory next of their very own sins, and finally finishing off by victim blaming those that they're racist against. You're almost 3 fer 3 there, Lek.


(May 8, 2017 at 4:52 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
Lek Wrote:"If anything, "Bearing Arms" in an open carry state is a death sentence for anyone who isn't white."

This quote from Luckie's post is appears to me to be a racist statement against white people.  Looks like she's saying that white people with guns use them to shoot non-whites.

Or she could be saying that people of color open carrying are more likely to be shot by police than white people open carrying. 

This. 

I'm curious as to how you drew such a misguided conclusion in the first place, from this:


(April 30, 2017 at 8:33 pm)Luckie Wrote: [Image: 18221682_1491879217523350_85400143072714...e=5977C54F]

BeCause..


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Weren't you the one claiming that the term racist is thrown around too often against dissenters? By calling me a racist YOU would be in fact "slandering a stranger on the Internet" because it's not true--I'm not a racist. Clearly.
In fact, I'm a white female in her 30s, red hair and ghostly pallor. I don't look at the nation I live in based on color, I look at people equally and judge them based on substance. Your substance, for instance, is pretty shitty in my opinion if you'd be willing to kill a baby for god--but thats a whole other thread.
 
So why are you so defensive when someone in your peer/racial group (who put themselves out for public scrutiny) is mentioned in a derogatory fashion? I mean, I haven't even gotten started on middle aged white American men.
Based on your taking everything so personally I must conclude that you're actually part of the group of people we are talking about. Well, sorry to bother you but YOU are not an entire group of people. Get over yourself. When I'm talking about you, you'll know it.
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Mister Agenda Wrote:
Lek Wrote:
Luckie Wrote:"Nothing. They're scared of the army, the police, racist militia, rogue middle aged white men in movie theatres, and.. each other."

"Unless I'm mistaken and you aren't an entitled middle aged white male?"

Two more quotes.  The last one directed at me.

Quotes about what they're scared of. That they're reasonably concerned about getting shot by middle aged white men and would be concerned about being shot by you since you are one, does not imply that you want to shoot them. 


Yeahhh I wasn't drawing a correlation between you and a platypus, much less as being akkn to a loner mass shooter, and the fact that you took it so personal is frightening. I was just answering your question. I was referring to that actual time a white dude shot a minority in a movie theatre for using their cell phone. 


Mister Agenda Wrote:
Lek Wrote:
Luckie Wrote:"Mainly because I'm not interested in talking to a fucking racial apologist."
Another quote from her post directed at me.  Sounds pretty racist to me.  


Yeah, racists often complain about how being called a racist is so racist. Her accusation is based on your words, not your skin.
I'm a middle-aged white man too and not against gun ownership, though I haven't bothered to own one myself. What could be the difference between how Luckie speaks to you and how she speaks to me? Do you think if I bought a gun she'd start calling me a racial apologist?

Nope, I wouldn't. Because I'm not racist.

Mister Agenda Wrote:
Lek Wrote:This is what so many are doing these days.  Instead of making the effort to address comments, they just call the person a racist or a fascist or something.  Then when I point it out and ask for facts people like you say it just make me look racist.  If I don't say anything I'm agreeing.


She called you a racist, or at least implied it, AND made the effort to address your comments. It's like you can't even see the serious part of her response because of the part that hurt your feelers. You asked for the facts and got the facts, but you choose to focus on the attitude. Focusing on the attitude is understandable, but you don't get to say she didn't address what you said, because she did.


Oh if and when I have attitude, he'll know it when he sees it.  Dodgy


Mister Agenda Wrote:And as I said elsewhere, if being called a racial apologist bothered me so much, I would take that as a signal that at some level I think there's something to it. If I turn it over and around and am honest with myself and find that I have no doubt that I really wasn't saying anything that could be reasonably interpreted as racist, then I can go forward without being too offended by it. 

That doesn't mean white people don't get to be offended by being called racist even when they aren't being racist, it's a word that triggers emotional responses and you don't have to be Vulcan about it. But I'm telling you that being hyper -defensive about it sounds like 'protesting too much' and often inclines readers to be more likely to think that there's something to it.

White men aren't being oppressed just because people notice they are, in many ways, treated better by society and especially the police than people of color, on average. And they're not being oppressed if I leave out the 'on average' part because it should be understood that if someone doesn't say EVERY white man, they don't mean EVERY white man.


Well said Mister A. Thank you for clarifying (most accurately) the response that Lek had comin.

So Lek, man, we cool like your and Mr. A here or are you sexist a well?
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#35
RE: Do extreme right wing males have an inferiority complex
(May 11, 2017 at 8:56 pm)Luckie Wrote: So Lek, man, we cool like your and Mr. A here or are you sexist a well?

It seems to me that you haven't spent much time among minorities because if you did you would understand that they are just people like you and me. They have the same wants and desires in life as white people do. You don't need to treat them like something fragile and special, but rather like you would treat anyone else. If a person is right, he's right and if he's wrong. Tell it like it is. I served for 20 years in the military along side of men and women of every race and we were all just men and women in green uniforms. I've lived in countries where I was a racial minority and I've also lived in neighborhoods in the US where I was a minority and my kids attended schools there in which whites were about 2% of the school population. I'm quite familiar with needs and aspirations of people of all races and colors.

You didn't answer my question about why people who are not white men own their guns. I'll answer it for you. It's for the same reasons most white men own guns. Maybe they like to hunt, shoot skeet or take target practice and shoot cans off a log. Maybe they own a gun for home security reasons as I do. Maybe they are bad guys, like some whites, and want to use them to commit robberies or rob stores or even commit murder.

As for the question of racism. I don't see races, I just see people in need. My church is located in the inner city and I help provide food, clothing and other essentials to the homeless of all races, who roam the streets and sleep in our courtyard. We don't ask them what race they are before we help them.

We don't need endless academic conversations among people about how much discrimination goes on. We need to provide a level playing field for educating our children and training that will allow people to obtain an education that will allow them to find decent jobs. We need to work on overcoming social problems, like unwed motherhood, that ravage the family in all population groups, but more so in the black communities. Why should a couple get married when their welfare payments would decline? We need systems that will encourage families to stay together.

As far as companies discriminating against minorities, high tech companies are crying out for qualified people and are hiring minorities from other countries because we're not producing qualified people to fill those jobs. I guarantee that a qualified minority would be hired. I know I was born with racial privilege, as were most of those in this forum. What do you want me to do about it? I've always worked for my money. In the military I saw numerous minority men and women move up faster than me because they were willing to work harder for it. Many of them were probably just smarter than me. You're not just going to beat everyone over the head with their white privilege and expect it to suddenly go away. We need to work on ourselves and not treat any racial group as special, but rather just men and women who are pursuing the same things as we are.

If you want to understand what we need to do to fix the problems of racism and discrimination move into a minority neighborhood. Send your kids to the local schools and develop relationships with your neighbors. Shop where they shop and eat at the same restaurants. These things will work better than endless academic discussions.
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#36
RE: Do extreme right wing males have an inferiority complex
(May 12, 2017 at 5:36 pm)Lek Wrote:
(May 11, 2017 at 8:56 pm)Luckie Wrote: So Lek, man, we cool like your and Mr. A here or are you sexist a well?

It seems to me that you haven't spent much time among minorities because if you did you would understand that they are just people like you and me. They have the same wants and desires in life as white people do.  You don't need to treat them like something fragile and special, but rather like you would treat anyone else.   If a person is right, he's right and if he's wrong.  Tell it like it is.  I served for 20 years in the military along side of men and women of every race and we were all just men and women in green uniforms.  I've lived in countries where I was a racial minority and I've also lived in neighborhoods in the US where I was a minority and my kids attended schools there in which whites were about 2% of the school population.  I'm quite familiar with needs and aspirations of people of all races and colors.  

You didn't answer my question about why people who are not white men own their guns.  I'll answer it for you.  It's for the same reasons most white men own guns.  Maybe they like to hunt, shoot skeet or take target practice and shoot cans off a log.  Maybe they own a gun for home security reasons as I do.  Maybe they are bad guys, like some whites, and want to use them to commit robberies or rob stores or even commit murder.

As for the question of racism.  I don't see races, I just see people in need.  My church is located in the inner city and I help provide food, clothing and other essentials to the homeless of all races, who roam the streets and sleep in our courtyard.  We don't ask them what race they are before we help them.  

We don't need endless academic conversations among people about how much discrimination goes on.  We need to provide a level playing field for educating our children and training that will allow people to obtain an education that will allow them to find decent jobs.  We need to work on overcoming social problems, like unwed motherhood, that ravage the family in all population groups, but more so in the black communities.  Why should a couple get married when their welfare payments would decline?  We need systems that will encourage families to stay together.  

As far as companies discriminating against minorities, high tech companies are crying out for qualified people and are hiring minorities from other countries because we're not producing qualified people to fill those jobs.  I guarantee that a qualified minority would be hired.  I know I was born with racial privilege, as were most of those in this forum.  What do you want me to do about it?  I've always worked for my money.  In the military I saw numerous minority men and women move up faster than me because they were willing to work harder for it.  Many of them were probably just smarter than me.  You're not just going to beat everyone over the head with their white privilege and expect it to suddenly go away.  We need to work on ourselves and not treat any racial group as special, but rather just men and women who are pursuing the same things as we are.

If you want to understand what we need to do to fix the problems of racism and discrimination move into a minority  neighborhood.  Send your kids to the local schools and develop relationships with your neighbors. Shop where they shop and eat at the same restaurants. These things will work better than endless academic discussions.

I can get behind this. Well said!
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#37
RE: Do extreme right wing males have an inferiority complex
I have friends who voted for the Hairdo in Chief.

To a man they are subtle racists, closed-minded, territorial, and less educated. As friends will do I tease them about this. They take it way too seriously.

Two of them have been laid off, their jobs sent elsewhere. This reinforces their subtle racism - some [person who looks different from me] took my job. They have been unemployed for almost a year, both of them. But it's not their fault. The "system" is against them.

They are about 10 years older than me (I'm 44) and they never really build competitive resumes. They've bounced from individual contributor job to individual contributor job. They haven't sought positions of increasing responsibility. They criticize me for "going for it" in corporate culture (I'm in senior management), saying how awful it is that I work 60-70 hours/week. When I explain that I'm doing this for my family, they fail to understand. They tease me about the car I drive, the house I moved into, all material things that don't really matter to me.

They seem to hold on to the notion that "if I've been doing this job for x years I deserve a promotion." That's not how public companies operate.

Advancement in corporate culture is tied largely to the amount of bullshit you can handle, how you dissect the BS, and how you offer solutions rather than restating the problem.

The inferiority complex they have is based on others "having" stuff they don't have and are not willing to work for. The words are different, but they're really after handouts, just like the people they see as the "other." They don't get irony, either.
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RE: Do extreme right wing males have an inferiority complex
(May 12, 2017 at 9:09 pm)Nanny Wrote: I have friends who voted for the Hairdo in Chief.

To a man they are subtle racists, closed-minded, territorial, and less educated. As friends will do I tease them about this. They take it way too seriously.

Two of them have been laid off, their jobs sent elsewhere. This reinforces their subtle racism - some [person who looks different from me] took my job. They have been unemployed for almost a year, both of them. But it's not their fault. The "system" is against them.

They are about 10 years older than me (I'm 44) and they never really build competitive resumes. They've bounced from individual contributor job to individual contributor job. They haven't sought positions of increasing responsibility. They criticize me for "going for it" in corporate culture (I'm in senior management), saying how awful it is that I work 60-70 hours/week. When I explain that I'm doing this for my family, they fail to understand. They tease me about the car I drive, the house I moved into, all material things that don't really matter to me.

They seem to hold on to the notion that "if I've been doing this job for x years I deserve a promotion." That's not how public companies operate.

Advancement in corporate culture is tied largely to the amount of bullshit you can handle, how you dissect the BS, and how you offer solutions rather than restating the problem.

The inferiority complex they have is based on others "having" stuff they don't have and are not willing to work for. The words are different, but they're really after handouts, just like the people they see as the "other." They don't get irony, either.

You might suggest they move to West Virginia.  I hear coal miners are going to be in bigly demand.

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RE: Do extreme right wing males have an inferiority complex
My friends have trust issues with banjos. Smile
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