Bill Maher Discusses The Lesser of Two Evils

[Thumpalumpacus]

Had Texas been closer, I would have held my nose and voted for Clinton, and I write that as someone with a healthy libertarian streak.

Other than climate change (which may kill all of us, or at least our descendants), my prediction is that Trump will be the best thing for progressivism.

But he's an amoral business man. The worst person to put in charge of a country. There was a meeting the other day when it was announced that the US foreign policy would no longer consider "american values" only the bottom line.

This is going to turn the US into a branch of the mafia.

Nothing wrong with Realpolitik. Something majorly wrong with Realstupidnik.

[Crunchy]

I didn't say he was wrong, I said I can't stand him.

I got that.
What is it about him that bothers you?

[dyresand]

She supported some of the things Trump wanted i agree with you but at the same time she was more for fracking TPP etc. 

Dude. Dude. Do you even possess an ounce of critical thought? "She supported some of the things Trump wanted". What? When did I say that, and what the fuck are you even talking about?

Pulling out of TPP will be one of the worst mistakes America makes foreign/trade policy wise in a long time. It was a shitty deal, and we needed to not sign it as is, but right now China is negotiating a massive trade deal in the South Pacific without us in the way. Killing TPP was a populist, terrible idea. Amending it before it was signed would have been a smart move. Hillary said she was going to kill TPP, but even if she was lying as you somehow need her to be, signing the deal as it is right now would be far far far far preferable to not being involved in the deal at all. No matter what America does manufacturing-wise, we are going to be buying electrical components/chips from overseas.

I would guess she would have the same stance on climate change.. but i doubt she would have done anything really towards it trying to fix it and well Trump denied climate
change he we didn't exactly pull out the paris climate change agreement.

I don't know why I get into these conversations with you. You are so monumentally misinformed, I just feel like someone has to say at least something to you in the hopes that something, anything, slips through. You literally are the equivalent of the "evolution is just a theory" creationist in that you have heard why you're just fucking objectively wrong a thousand times, but you just stick to your guns. Nothing, nothing about the liberal agenda or Hillary's platform supports this ignorant ass shit you just made up here. The equivocation here is just atrocious. Hillary would not have appointed a climate change denier to head the EPA. She would not have okayed the Keystone Pipeline, she would not have allowed coal plants to dump refuse into water supplies. She would not have rolled back the requirement that in order to sell cars in the US in 2025, you had to meet a 54.5 mpg fleet average. Hillary repeatedly said on the campaign trail that Climate change was the most important issue affecting our future. You are just pitifully ignorant.

As far as education goes we have a shitty education system that isn't worth a damn 
no one should have a child here and expect a top of the line education it was shitty and all they did was make it shittier there is better education in other countries.

So your attitude is, "it's broken, so fuck it?" Allow federal dollars to go to religious schools because "choice." Take money away from schools that are struggling and need it and give it to schools that are already doing well? You think Hillary would appoint a billionaire über evangelical who has never set foot in a private school to head the DOE?

I think you just need to justify why you and people like you handed this country over to our dear leader and the Republicans because you know you fucked up. Your head is just too far up your own ass to admit that you make shit up to make it okay.

Don't bring that bullshit in here.

to break down what wanted to say because i am incoherent as hell. 
id say Hillary's stance on climate change would have been the same as Obama's she would have a little here and there but overall anything drastic no.
Trump is bad very bad and will make climate worse i would have loved Hillary to be president concerning this fact. 
She supported the border wall like Trump  does but we can't get one or well government shut down. I give trump some respect on the fact that 
he didn't sign the TPP but you have the vice president who would do it would be bad for everyone. 
What i mean is she doesn't look out for the voters rather she only cares about who gives her money really.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I didn't say he was wrong, I said I can't stand him.

I got that.
What is it about him that bothers you?

I'll tell you why he gets on my goddamned nerves. He's got this smarmy I know better than you vibe. He would rather mock people who disagree with him, rather than discussing those disagreements. He embodies in many minds the caricature of angry atheist, and seems to enjoy that positionand for that reason doesn't represent me and those like me who really don't give a shit about someone's religious beliefs until they get uppity with them.

---

to break down what wanted to say because i am incoherent as hell. 
id say Hillary's stance on climate change would have been the same as Obama's she would have a little here and there but overall anything drastic no.
Trump is bad very bad and will make climate worse i would have loved Hillary to be president concerning this fact. 
She supported the border wall like Trump  does but we can't get one or well government shut down. I give trump some respect on the fact that 
he didn't sign the TPP but you have the vice president who would do it would be bad for everyone. 
What i mean is she doesn't look out for the voters rather she only cares about who gives her money really.

Jesus goddamned Christ, a money-grubbing politician?!

In a nutshell, Dyre, you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. You want perfection? Die and go to Heaven, because that's the only place you'll allegedly find it.

And quibbling about a Veep's impact on policy is idiotic. The only VP who had that sort of influence is Cheney ... but Trump is no Bush, an empty shell waiting to be filled. Trump is a barrel full of bad ideas who doesn't have the sense to listen at all.

Seriously, broaden your reading.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I didn't say he was wrong, I said I can't stand him.

I got that.
What is it about him that bothers you?

1. I can't bear a comic who laughs at his own jokes. It displays an insecurity I find off-putting.

2. Maher thinks he's smarter than he is.

3. Tangential to #2, he thinks that people who disagree with him - about anything - are idiots.

4. His incessant name-calling does nothing to further any kind of sensible discourse.

5. Deep in his heart, he wants to be Jon Stewart, and he knows he isn't up to the task.

Boru

[SteelCurtain]

I'll tell you why he gets on my goddamned nerves. He's got this smarmy I know better than you vibe. He would rather mock people who disagree with him, rather than discussing those disagreements. He embodies in many minds the caricature of angry atheist, and seems to enjoy that positionand for that reason doesn't represent me and those like me who really don't give a shit about someone's religious beliefs until they get uppity with them.

You should try watching the show. I agree with you about his smarmy attitude, but he 100% discusses disagreements with people, that's sort of his thing. He usually has 1 or 2 Republicans on the panel, and he gives it to liberals just about as much as he gives it to Republicans. If you've only seen bits and clips (not saying you have) you might get the same idea about Hitchens or Harris too, without the meat in between they seem pretty egotistical.

[SteelCurtain]

to break down what wanted to say because i am incoherent as hell. 
id say Hillary's stance on climate change would have been the same as Obama's she would have a little here and there but overall anything drastic no.
Trump is bad very bad and will make climate worse i would have loved Hillary to be president concerning this fact. 
She supported the border wall like Trump  does but we can't get one or well government shut down. I give trump some respect on the fact that 
he didn't sign the TPP but you have the vice president who would do it would be bad for everyone. 
What i mean is she doesn't look out for the voters rather she only cares about who gives her money really.

Just one complete, grammatically correct sentence... just one.

Hillary supported the border wall? Source please.

Also, maybe you could back up your statement about not supporting the voters? In her two terms as a US Senator, (she got re-elected because, you know, the voters voted for her) she had a more than 83% approval rating among Democrat voters.

Again, quit making shit up to make your story work.

Hillary Clinton ran a campaign that was riddled with errors; they trusted some algorithm that told them where to go and where to spend money rather than the tried and true method of stump speeches in key areas and grassroots door knocking. Overall, she was a perfectly capable candidate that was unexciting, but had 8 straight years of mud caked on her, because the Democrats made the mistake of making her the presumptive nominee the day Obama swore in. The GOP had a nice fat target to fire shots at, and they did. And you bought it. She wasn't perfect. Good luck finding the next perfect candidate.

This is going to happen again. The Democrats are going to nominate Cory Booker or someone like him, and dyre and his lot are going to say, "I know he aligns with 98% of my core beliefs and ideals, but remember that time he voted against the Canadian Drug Import bill? FUCK HIM IN HIS BITCH CUNT!" Never mind that you could have had a progressive in the White House, you'll just bitch about this one shitty thing he did and just not vote at all, and then we'll collectively give Ted Cruz a shot.

[Kosh]

It shouldn't have mattered how poorly of a campaign Hillary ran. She should have been able to not campaign at all and still won. A reasonable, intelligent, and well adjusted voting population does not vote for Donald Trump under any condition. I don't blame Trump and I don't blame Hillary. I blame the mentally deficient American voters who keep putting idiots in office at every level of government.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'll tell you why he gets on my goddamned nerves. He's got this smarmy I know better than you vibe. He would rather mock people who disagree with him, rather than discussing those disagreements. He embodies in many minds the caricature of angry atheist, and seems to enjoy that positionand for that reason doesn't represent me and those like me who really don't give a shit about someone's religious beliefs until they get uppity with them.

You should try watching the show. I agree with you about his smarmy attitude, but he 100% discusses disagreements with people, that's sort of his thing. He usually has 1 or 2 Republicans on the panel, and he gives it to liberals just about as much as he gives it to Republicans. If you've only seen bits and clips (not saying you have) you might get the same idea about Hitchens or Harris too, without the meat in between they seem pretty egotistical.

I have indeed watched his show. While it's true that he will give an argument chance to breathe, he still exudes a dismissive demeanor all too often for my taste.

[GrandizerII]

If you've only seen bits and clips (not saying you have) you might get the same idea about Hitchens or Harris too, without the meat in between they seem pretty egotistical.

I've listened full speeches from both Harris and Hitchens, and Hitchens was clearly egotistical. And it's paradoxically part of why many people, even those who disagreed with him, liked him.

---

to break down what wanted to say because i am incoherent as hell. 
id say Hillary's stance on climate change would have been the same as Obama's she would have a little here and there but overall anything drastic no.
Trump is bad very bad and will make climate worse i would have loved Hillary to be president concerning this fact. 
She supported the border wall like Trump  does but we can't get one or well government shut down. I give trump some respect on the fact that 
he didn't sign the TPP but you have the vice president who would do it would be bad for everyone. 
What i mean is she doesn't look out for the voters rather she only cares about who gives her money really.

Just one complete, grammatically correct sentence... just one.

Hillary supported the border wall? Source please.

Also, maybe you could back up your statement about not supporting the voters? In her two terms as a US Senator, (she got re-elected because, you know, the voters voted for her) she had a more than 83% approval rating among Democrat voters.

Again, quit making shit up to make your story work.

Hillary Clinton ran a campaign that was riddled with errors; they trusted some algorithm that told them where to go and where to spend money rather than the tried and true method of stump speeches in key areas and grassroots door knocking. Overall, she was a perfectly capable candidate that was unexciting, but had 8 straight years of mud caked on her, because the Democrats made the mistake of making her the presumptive nominee the day Obama swore in. The GOP had a nice fat target to fire shots at, and they did. And you bought it. She wasn't perfect. Good luck finding the next perfect candidate.

This is going to happen again. The Democrats are going to nominate Cory Booker or someone like him, and dyre and his lot are going to say, "I know he aligns with 98% of my core beliefs and ideals, but remember that time he voted against the Canadian Drug Import bill? FUCK HIM IN HIS BITCH CUNT!" Never mind that you could have had a progressive in the White House, you'll just bitch about this one shitty thing he did and just not vote at all, and then we'll collectively give Ted Cruz a shot.

When this happens next election, you can blame it on Jimmy Dore and the "Aggressive Progressives" (...).