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RE: When and Where did the Atomic Theory Come From?
May 8, 2017 at 12:21 am
This is actually a very complicated question:
- Leucippus (his historicity possible, but not proven) and his student Democritus developed the theory of the atom around the fifth century BC in an attempt at reconciling Heraclitus and Parmenides. Aristotle rejected atomic theory and so, with his ascendancy, atomic theory becomes dormant for over a millennium.
- Surprisingly, thinkers in India, most notably Kanada (and yes, that was his name), author of the Vaisesika Sutra, stumbled upon a very similar atomic theory to that of Democritus, and possibly even doing so before Democritus. That said, since Atoms weren't mentoned in the Vedas, it did not catch on in India until later.
- Near the end of the 18th Century, John Dalton, emboldened by the discovery of the Law of Conservation of Mass, starts work on figuring out the various elements, and even begins to figure out what they're made of and their relative size differences. He first does an oral presentation in 1803, publishes a paper in 1805, and fleshes it all out in 1808's A New System of Chemical Philosophy.
- And shit just gets more complicated from there...
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RE: When and Where did the Atomic Theory Come From?
May 8, 2017 at 8:24 am
Atomic theory comes from the ancient Greek Atomists.
What we nowadays call an atom isn't actually an atom
Science can never find an atom. Even if they eventually are unable to find any smaller building blocks... there could still be smaller building blocks that they were unable to detect.
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RE: When and Where did the Atomic Theory Come From?
May 8, 2017 at 8:39 am
(May 8, 2017 at 8:24 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Atomic theory comes from the ancient Greek Atomists.
What we nowadays call an atom isn't actually an atom 
Science can never find an atom. Even if they eventually are unable to find any smaller building blocks... there could still be smaller building blocks that they were unable to detect.
Oh, he's been found:
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RE: When and Where did the Atomic Theory Come From?
May 8, 2017 at 9:13 am
Wut? What does Adam Ant have to do with anything???? Wut wut wut!
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RE: When and Where did the Atomic Theory Come From?
May 8, 2017 at 9:14 am
You know perfectly well his name isn't Atom.
You're probably thinking of this Atom:
Or maybe even this Atom, though I admit I'd be impressed if you knew him:
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RE: When and Where did the Atomic Theory Come From?
May 8, 2017 at 9:16 am
Yeah that makes more sense lol.
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RE: When and Where did the Atomic Theory Come From?
May 8, 2017 at 10:51 am
Sense when do we have to make sense?
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RE: When and Where did the Atomic Theory Come From?
May 8, 2017 at 4:54 pm
(May 8, 2017 at 12:21 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: This is actually a very complicated question:
- Leucippus (his historicity possible, but not proven) and his student Democritus developed the theory of the atom around the fifth century BC in an attempt at reconciling Heraclitus and Parmenides. Aristotle rejected atomic theory and so, with his ascendancy, atomic theory becomes dormant for over a millennium.
- Surprisingly, thinkers in India, most notably Kanada (and yes, that was his name), author of the Vaisesika Sutra, stumbled upon a very similar atomic theory to that of Democritus, and possibly even doing so before Democritus. That said, since Atoms weren't mentoned in the Vedas, it did not catch on in India until later.
- Near the end of the 18th Century, John Dalton, emboldened by the discovery of the Law of Conservation of Mass, starts work on figuring out the various elements, and even begins to figure out what they're made of and their relative size differences. He first does an oral presentation in 1803, publishes a paper in 1805, and fleshes it all out in 1808's A New System of Chemical Philosophy.
- And shit just gets more complicated from there...
Thanks. Rev. You've given me something I can work with. What about the work of Heraclitus and Parmenides was Democritus trying to reconcile that led him to think in terms of atoms?
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