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May 10, 2017 at 8:32 am (This post was last modified: May 10, 2017 at 8:34 am by Drich.)
(May 9, 2017 at 6:00 pm)Mamacita Wrote:
(May 9, 2017 at 4:45 pm)Drich Wrote:
I'm sorry you never questioned that God or worse yet that there was no one there to help you see anything different.
Heart breaking. You never actually read the bible for yourself have you? Only taught and trained what to think be reding certain passages.. I am sorry for that as well. Had you read the bible for yourself you would have come across 1 thess 5:21 Which says Question ALL Things and to hold on to what is good. This does not only mean for us to question the questionable but to question the foundational/doctrinal as well.. Question ALL Things. Meaning there is not a question man has that God can not provide to you, nor anyone else. It is so sad that you have to ask about the bible in secrete.
My questions would be which part. The bible is not a book. it is a collections of books and letters. That would be like asking who wrote Wikipedia... Your question should then be to ask which part. Because the word bible or biblica literally means book of books. like wiki is a calibration of info so to is the bible. Now like wiki there are several incarnations of the book of books. meaning there are several different version based on source material availed and translation. Most bibles read the same but there are some stand out version that are radically different than the others. To understand the three main translation you must first understand where and when they came from. First there is the Septuagint which is a latin based bible who's orgins are supposed to be from the koine greek. This is most often identified as the Catholic's bible.
Then there is the koine Greek bibles based on different codices (or codex) which is a fancy term that describes a collection of 1st 2nd and 3rd century compiled and hand written copied in the 3rd and 4th century. (some even much older) the holy bible or one of the variants are based off of one or several difference codices. they were just compiled in the 3rd-ish century it does not mean they were written then.
Lastly you have the gnostic bible. know it or not your brother (and what you currently believe) was describing how the gnostic bible is/was compiled.
This is not true. The book of Luke was Paul's gospel and it had to have been written early to mid 60's AD. Meaning luke wrote down Paul's gospel first hand, like wise Mark maybe 10 years after luke wrote down peter's gospel. Meaning mark is a hand written copy of the first hand experience of Peter.
What if "brother alfonso" could place you before God in this life? Meaning he could give you 3simple steps and you could interact with God? would that then be authority enough?
Sadly is the case of too many religious people.. they are so interested in grandiose displays of "fornication confession" they forget to read the bible themselves and they miss the little things.. like the bits that God says those types of grandiose statements are meaningless to him. To go into your closet and pray to him without making a show. And they miss out on God.. because the crap they do to worship Him is against what He has asked them to do.
Did Thomas goto Hell for doubting? Or did GOD Give Thomas exactly what He needed to establish and maintain his faith.
My poor sister... "we" were never born Christian. That is a title that gets awarded to us by Christ! Nothing we can say or do will ever earn us that title or take it away.
Good! maybe try the God of the bible/Holy Bible this time round. You can ask Him or me anything you like.
I honestly never heard that there are Christian not allowed to ask questions. 1Thess 5:21 "QUESTION ALL THINGS!!!! And Hold On to what is good!!!")
what if I were to tell you Jesus tells a story that describes your life perfectly?
Again God commands us to Question. Your Religion is bad if it says do not doubt.
And if "God" is not a bully?
As an 'athesit' do you have questions you wish you could have asked and got an answer to?
Again I asked you for one example where might does not make right in human History. Even with the Nazis Their might made it right to kill jews by the millions, then the western allies 'might' made what the Nazi's were doing wrong again. Might has always made right in every human example. So then what makes you think this is not a hold over or character of God?
That's not true.. God has nothing to do with knot heads... but for the rest of us we know He is alive and well.
till the next tsunami or 911 then it's "oh God why did thy smight us oh lord.. mercy oh great smighter or were you not around then, when CNN was even broadcasting prayers.
So this is what "thinkers" do when asked to provide evidence that 'might does not make right." they seek to win the argument based on an appeal to popularity rather than sound theology or even basic judgment.
Dude. I said I read the Bible. Again. I've read it. I won't argue about what's in it anymore. First you'd need to prove there is a god, then that it's your specific one. Good luck with that.
If I could produce God on Demand I then would be a power greater than God/I would be God.
Rather what God has done is provide us with a simple task IF we truly seek Him. That task is illustrated in Luke 11.
Luke 11Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Jesus Teaches About Prayer
11 One time Jesus was out praying, and when he finished, one of his followers said to him, “John taught his followers how to pray. Lord, teach us how to pray too.” 2 Jesus said to the followers, “This is how you should pray:
‘Father, we pray that your name will always be kept holy.
We pray that your kingdom will come. 3 Give us the food we need for each day. 4 Forgive our sins,
just as we forgive everyone who has done wrong to us.
And don’t let us be tempted.’” Ask God for What You Need 5-6 Then Jesus said to them, “Suppose one of you went to your friend’s house very late at night and said to him, ‘A friend of mine has come into town to visit me. But I have nothing for him to eat. Please give me three loaves of bread.’ 7 Your friend inside the house answers, ‘Go away! Don’t bother me! The door is already locked. My children and I are in bed. I cannot get up and give you the bread now.’ 8 I tell you, maybe friendship is not enough to make him get up to give you the bread. But he will surely get up to give you what you need if you continue to ask. 9 So I tell you, continue to ask, and God will give to you. Continue to search, and you will find. Continue to knock, and the door will open for you. 10 Yes, whoever continues to ask will receive. Whoever continues to look will find. And whoever continues to knock will have the door opened for them. 11 Do any of you have a son? What would you do if your son asked you for a fish? Would any father give him a snake? 12 Or, if he asked for an egg, would you give him a scorpion? Of course not! 13 Even you who are bad know how to give good things to your children. So surely your heavenly Father knows how to give the Holy Spirit to the people who ask him.”
What better proof of God/The God of the bible which is my God, than if He stands before you?
May 10, 2017 at 8:36 am (This post was last modified: May 10, 2017 at 8:40 am by Foxaèr.)
Requiring that one must believe in god for god to exist is the equivalent of god not existing.
It would be akin to me requiring that you must believe in the almighty pink unicorn for it to exist, except reason informs you that the almighty pink unicorn is not real. Apply that same logic to your god, and viola!
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
(May 9, 2017 at 3:59 pm)Drich Wrote: Might does indeed equal right in every aspect of civilization. So why not here? or can you name a civilization where the mightiest of a given people did not set the rule and write History.
Might certainly does get its way, but that does not make it right.
Slavery will never be morally right, even if the mightiest makes laws that allow it.
Is it morally right that Christians can be killed in certain Muslim countries, just because the mightiest rule those countries?
Morality is not a fixed value. To the muslim killing Christians in a MORAL OBLIGATION lest you be found a infidel yourself for not following the teaching of mo-ham. with in those borders for the million upon millions who live there it is indeed morally right to kill.
The only time it ceases being morally right is when a bigger badder people come along and topple that society, and demand they adopt their 'morality.' in either case the might of the many define the right and wrong of the people.
(May 9, 2017 at 4:45 pm)Drich Wrote: So this is what "thinkers" do when asked to provide evidence that 'might does not make right." they seek to win the argument based on an appeal to popularity rather than sound theology or even basic judgment.
Once again, Christians are being killed by some Muslim countries by their regimes.
Is this right just because the might in those countries are Muslim, and have passed blasphemy laws?
for everyone in that country yes. That is what morality is. One can only say it is not right if and only if they belong to a greater group.
May 10, 2017 at 1:02 pm (This post was last modified: May 10, 2017 at 1:04 pm by Simon Moon.)
(May 10, 2017 at 9:06 am)Drich Wrote:
(May 9, 2017 at 4:44 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Might certainly does get its way, but that does not make it right.
Slavery will never be morally right, even if the mightiest makes laws that allow it.
Is it morally right that Christians can be killed in certain Muslim countries, just because the mightiest rule those countries?
Morality is not a fixed value. To the muslim killing Christians in a MORAL OBLIGATION lest you be found a infidel yourself for not following the teaching of mo-ham. with in those borders for the million upon millions who live there it is indeed morally right to kill.
The only time it ceases being morally right is when a bigger badder people come along and topple that society, and demand they adopt their 'morality.' in either case the might of the many define the right and wrong of the people.
Quote:for everyone in that country yes. That is what morality is. One can only say it is not right if and only if they belong to a greater group.
We are obviously defining "morality" differently.
When I speak of morality, I am referring to decisions and actions that effect other's well being. A decision or action is morally good, if it positively effects someone's well being, or does not harm their well being, or is neutral to their well being. It is immoral of it harms other's well being.
The Muslims with the power in the countries that are killing Christians, may believe they are moral (according to their doctrine), but since they are harming other's well being, they are not. You know how you can tell? Ask those who are being killed if they are morally okay with being killed.
I understand why you have to defend 'might makes right', because your religious texts are rife with examples of it perpetrated by your god.
I guess I have to give you some kudos for defending 'might makes right', even if Christians are on the wrong end of it, lest you be guilty of special pleading.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
May 11, 2017 at 9:08 pm (This post was last modified: May 11, 2017 at 9:10 pm by Lek.)
I'd just like to say that if you look at God from just an earthly perspective and you think that death is bad, then you're not going to like God. The truth is in that sense he kills every single one of us. He could allow us to live, but he lets us all die. So, with or without God, we're all recipients of some evil act.
I also wonder why some of you would prefer to follow Satan since he wants you to burn in hell with him while God wants you to have pleasure with him in heaven.
