Why is it okay when God kills people?

[Fake Messiah]

As far as I can tell the bible doesn't say that nothing had died yet at that time.  Eve told told the serpent that God told her she would die if she ate of the tree. 

So why did they need to eat? For pleasure? Ha? So it says there was death before the fall, because Adam and Eve had to ingest and digest living cells in order to survive. The only way around that was to eat of the fruit of the tree of eternal life. That tree wouldn't need to be there if they already had eternal life. That's why God kicked them out of the garden before they could eat of that tree too.
What if Adam never ate from either tree? Or from any tree? Would he eventually starve to death?

[SteveII]

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Since to love God would require free will, how does it make sense that he "chose free will over love"? What you seem to mean is that God chose the goal of having us freely choose him over our a world where we would have blissfully existed but incapable of love. If so, I agree--that is what he did.

The idea of free will doesn't negate love.  And to let the myriad of his creations be punished so the few can have free will is hardly love.  And, being god, he could have made his existence obvious without violating free will.  If his existence was obvious, and people knew who he was, but still refused to follow his rules, then it would be closer to fair.  And, since I can conceive of such a god, yours must not exist.

You cannot love something or someone without free will. There is no way around that. Giving us that ability was obviously more important to God that a perfect world with robot-like humans.

[Rhondazvous]

Your view of Adam is not correct. Why do you think he did not know right from wrong? He intentionally disobeyed the only command God gave him. Do you think that God was not clear in not eating the fruit or that Adam wasn't capable of understanding him? The effect was not knowledge of right and wrong, but that their innocence was gone.

What was the purpose of forbidding Adam from eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil if he already had that knowledge? Your definition of intentional is quite odd and based on what you need to be true rather than the word's actual meaning.

[SteveII]

Your view of Adam is not correct. Why do you think he did not know right from wrong? He intentionally disobeyed the only command God gave him. Do you think that God was not clear in not eating the fruit or that Adam wasn't capable of understanding him? The effect was not knowledge of right and wrong, but that their innocence was gone.

What was the purpose of forbidding Adam from eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil if he already had that knowledge? Your definition of intentional is quite odd and based on what you need to be true rather than the word's actual meaning.

But the ability to disobey (which they obviously had) is not the same as being made aware of the good and bad within yourself (the loss of innocence). I used 'intentional' because it was not an accident--they actually discussed that God said not to eat it and chose to do it anyway.

[Rhondazvous]

As far as I can tell the bible doesn't say that nothing had died yet at that time.  Eve told told the serpent that God told her she would die if she ate of the tree.  Maybe he had no concept of good and evil, but Adam knew that God told him he would die if he ate of the fruit and he knew he should obey God.  After he committed the act he didn't say "I didn't know I shouldn't do it", but rather "Eve made me do it".  What you're saying is "I wouldn't punish my children like that, so God shouldn't either".  You're judging God according to your standards.

Without knowledge of good and evil he could not know that obeying god is good and disobeying is evil. Eve repeated what god said about dying, but it's clear she had not concept of death. Why would she think something that would kill her is useful for food and would make her wise?

They wanted knowledge. Not until they ate the fruit and gained that knowledge did they understand that it was evil. Adam hid himself, not because he had eaten the fruit, but because he KNEW that he was naked. The church still sees knowlege as evil. But my dear, you have come to a website where we object. Knowledge is good and a parent who wants his children to stay ignorant is evil.

Maybe the tree was there because god didn't really want them to remain ignorant. I'm a writer. Sometimes my characters refuse to do what I tell them to do. They want to do what they want to do. But that's how I know I've created realistic characters.

[Harry Nevis]

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The idea of free will doesn't negate love.  And to let the myriad of his creations be punished so the few can have free will is hardly love.  And, being god, he could have made his existence obvious without violating free will.  If his existence was obvious, and people knew who he was, but still refused to follow his rules, then it would be closer to fair.  And, since I can conceive of such a god, yours must not exist.

You cannot love something or someone without free will. There is no way around that. Giving us that ability was obviously more important to God that a perfect world with robot-like humans.

Bullshit.  It's true because you assert it?  Nothing is obvious about your god.

[Lek]

Without knowledge of good and evil he could not know that obeying god is good and disobeying is evil. Eve repeated what god said about dying, but it's clear she had not concept of death. Why would she think something that would kill her is useful for food and would make her wise?

Would you agree that Adam knew that God told him not to do it and that he did it anyway?

They wanted knowledge. Not until they ate the fruit and gained that knowledge did they understand that it was evil. Adam hid himself, not because he had eaten the fruit, but because he KNEW that  he was naked. The church still sees knowlege as evil. But my dear, you have come to a website where we object. Knowledge is good and a parent who wants his children to stay ignorant is evil.

I don't mind you objecting. That's why I'm here. Why do you think that the church sees knowledge as evil? Show me from the bible because that's where our doctrine comes from.

Maybe the tree was there because god didn't really want them to remain ignorant. I'm a writer. Sometimes my characters refuse to do what I tell them to do. They want to do what they want to do. But that's how I know I've created realistic characters.

Reverse psychology.

[LastPoet]

I think the atheists around are doing a good job. It comes a time in a man's life you had to hear all the bullshit from theists. It is what it is. I have no problem with personal beliefs, but fact is that many of them vote for human issues that is none of their business based in a fantasy. A fleeting dream they won' t ever awake from, as long as their pride endures.

[Rhondazvous]

I think the atheists around are doing a good job. It comes a time in a man's life you had to hear all the bullshit from theists. It is what it is. I have no problem with personal beliefs, but fact is that many of them vote for human issues that is none of their business based in a fantasy. A fleeting dream they won' t ever awake from, as long as their pride endures.

The minute they try to get others to believe what they believe, it's o longer personal. If I went to a theist website arguing about why christianity should be outlawed, the same could be said about me. They are the aggressors. All I do is give them enough paint to paint themselves into a corner. Now they just walk over the paint and think no one can see their footprints. Beat me with experience? Nah.

[Foxaèr]

Theists think it is okay for god to kill people in the bible because the people who created the bible and the infamous god character wanted a vigilante for what they deemed abhorrent human behavior.