Subjective Morals and Societal Whims

[Edwardo Piet]

I don't think morals are only subjective.

[Ravenshire]

A whole bunch of nutty bullshit...

I'm calling POE.

[brewer]

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A Welcome Woof.

I've got lots of questions before I respond, if you don't mind.

Can you give examples of the "youtubes on atheism"? Did they have an agenda (i,e, religious)?

Why do you think atheism = naturalism? I can assure you it does not, but I'll give you the chance to state why it does. 

What modern cultures consider pedophilia acceptable? You can exclude the catholic church if you like.

Morals are subjective/relative. You have not provided sufficient argument for me to consider that pedophilia is objectively wrong under all circumstances and in all conditions. Stanford can support my position better than I can (the written word is not my forte): https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-relativism/

Also: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-realism/

No theists are naturalists, but all atheists are naturalists.

You are point and case when you said, "Morals are subjective/relative. You have not provided sufficient argument for me to consider that pedophilia is objectively wrong under all circumstances and in all conditions."

You are open to Add to dictionary. No Christian is open to Pedophilia. You are similar to Muslims who also allow pedophilia since Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old girl.

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Thanks for the lack of intelligent response or valid argument. 

Provide evidence that atheist = naturalist. I don't think you possess that capability to do so.

You appear to be an excellent example of christian religious ignorance. Good Job! Home school???

BTW, Islam/muslim is a religion with a god and claims to have objective morals. So it's a religion permitting pedophilia, or was this fact oblivious to you?

Bible things for you to look up: Numbers 31:1-18, Deut 20: 10-14, Judges 21:7-11 and 21:20-23. Sounds like underage sex to the scholars. [edit] And this after getting permission to wack the parents. Got to love those morals.

[Brakeman]

So did your Magic fairy dust god also teach the animals objective morals?
https://www.ted.com/talks/frans_de_waal_...ave_morals

We obviously protect our children from pedophiles because a f*ckhead in a robe and reading from an ancient book told us to, not because we love the child and we don't want them hurt or emotionally scarred.

[The Industrial Atheist]

Atheism is not an ideology. You can be an atheist for good reasons. Like the contradictions about the way holy books say god is and what he does in them and the way his creation is.
You can be an atheist for bad reasons like your wife cheated on you with your Church's deacon.
There is no unifying set of rules or ideas.
It means only that you do not have a belief in a god or god's.

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[InteresedUser]

Atheism liwrally has nothing to do with morals. Neither does theism.

Morals change with society, correct, no matter if that society is religious or not, because morals come from societies, ans societies constantly change.
People agree what is or is not moral, then test it. Often times after testing, people will change their views on a moral code, based on personal or group observations, and then attempt to convince others of the new view.

Morals exist. They change constantly. Therefore they are subjective. No objective moral code has ever existed nor been handed down intact through generations.
You didnt answer, just dodged.

Also, as someone else said, use the search funtion. There are many threads on this topic already. Join one of those, and say hello first! Hello.

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Dude, I just read your full response, and it is just full of wrong. Sorry.

Some atheists believe in the supernatural, just not in god. There are plenty of theists who think god is natural part of the universe, too. Christianity and Islam arent the only theistic religions, you know.

It's like you are saying a lot of words but don't really know what any of them mean.

Well, welcome anyway.

The 10 commandments seem like good morals to me. How come not you? These morals never change. You've made the point while one day in your atheism pedophilia is evil the next day you believe it is good. This is why all Atheists are pedophiles.

Your position is evil.

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I don't think morals are only subjective.

True morals are never subjective.

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No theists are naturalists, but all atheists are naturalists.

You are point and case when you said, "Morals are subjective/relative. You have not provided sufficient argument for me to consider that pedophilia is objectively wrong under all circumstances and in all conditions."

You are open to Add to dictionary. No Christian is open to Pedophilia. You are similar to Muslims who also allow pedophilia since Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old girl.

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Thanks for the lack of intelligent response or valid argument. 

Provide evidence that atheist = naturalist. I don't think you possess that capability to do so.

You appear to be an excellent example of christian religious ignorance. Good Job! Home school???

BTW, Islam/muslim is a religion with a god and claims to have objective morals. So it's a religion permitting pedophilia, or was this fact oblivious to you?

Bible things for you to look up: Numbers 31:1-18, Deut 20: 10-14, Judges 21:7-11 and 21:20-23. Sounds like underage sex to the scholars. [edit] And this after getting permission to wack the parents. Got to love those morals.

Naturalists believe all cause and effects are strictly nature so no God. Atheists claim the same thing.

Obviously Islamic pedophilia is wrong so you can disregard the Koran as false.

Numbers 31.1-18 says what? Where's the pedophilia?

[Num 31:1-54 KJV] 1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people. 3 And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian. 4 Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war. 5 So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of [every] tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. 6 And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of [every] tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand. 7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; [namely], Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took [all] the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, [both] of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which [are] by Jordan [near] Jericho. 13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. 14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, [with] the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. 15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

[Alex K]

Smells like troll. Maybe even a bit sockish?

[InteresedUser]

So did your Magic fairy dust god also teach the animals objective morals?
https://www.ted.com/talks/frans_de_waal_...ave_morals

We obviously protect our children from pedophiles because a f*ckhead in a robe and reading from an ancient book told us to, not because we love the child and we don't want them hurt or emotionally scarred.

You "protect our children from pedophiles...not because we love the child and we don't want them hurt or emotionally scared"?

That sounds twisted. What other reasons would you protect children if not because we love them?

You don't seem reasonable placing animals on the same level as humans.

[chimp3]

All gods are products of the human imagination. All scriptures are products of the human imagination. All morality is human in nature.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I've been watching lots of YouTube videos on atheism. The argument I like lately why I disagree with Atheism has to do with morality. In naturalism, or a natural only world, everything that happens no matter how good or bad is simply a product of nature so it cannot be said to be moral or immoral. It is amoral. But we human beings consider morality vital to our being. So that seems to be a problem. Not sure you claim there is free will in that case but that is a side point.

So if in nature all the bad stuff that happens is just a product of nature, including bad religion and bad faiths, then can any of it really be considered wrong even if it is contradictory with other world-views, religions or faiths since it is all naturally induced? That would be my question. When someone is a contradiction I have to reject that world-view.

For example, a societal whim in some cultures considers pedophilia acceptable even necessary to preserve the population. Who is to say even though an atheist may claim he rejects pedophilia now would not be justified in his mind to condone it after a significant time has passed even though he may not commit it? Whereas a non-subjective objective law transcends and would never allow pedophilia under any circumstances.

This is why I believe in objective morals and not subjective relativism based on societal whims. Where then can we find objective morals since atheism doesn't provide it for us?

Curious what you think?

Since when is wishful thinking an argument for anything?

Since forever.

Boru