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morality is subjective and people don't have free will
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RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 17, 2017 at 11:27 am
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2017 at 11:29 am by The Grand Nudger.)
An appeal to emotion may be compelling.......but it's not particularly rational.
-dont get me wrong, I don't posit that as a problem for any compulsion to christianity. It's only a problem if the followers make it a problem. Just an observation. It would be difficult to find a religion that -didn't- make such an appeal.........so I;m not sure how that differentiates it from any other faith?
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We'd be more perfect and ideal if we didn't need to suffer in order to care about each other's suffering. The fact God has to like we do makes him rather too much of an unimpressive mortal to be a supernatural creator, if you ask me.
 RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 17, 2017 at 11:27 am
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2017 at 11:28 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(May 17, 2017 at 11:21 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:(May 17, 2017 at 11:08 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well we do believe God hurts very much by our behavior and words. Ok. I would disagree, but that is irrelevant. I was explaining why we feel offended on God's behalf, and it's for the same reason we feel offended on our parent's behalf, or on behalf of anyone else we have strong feelings for. So hopefully that is understood now.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 17, 2017 at 11:28 am
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2017 at 11:29 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 17, 2017 at 11:26 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(May 17, 2017 at 11:21 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: A perfect being wouldn't need to suffer in order to care. Funny really that you think He would require such an emotional mindset... because your emotional mindset is what leads you to such non-sequiturs as the above quoted. RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 17, 2017 at 11:29 am
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2017 at 11:31 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(May 17, 2017 at 11:27 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: We'd be more perfect and ideal if we didn't need to suffer in order to care about each other's suffering. The fact God has to like we do makes him rather too much of an unimpressive mortal to be a supernatural creator, if you ask me. He suffers BECAUSE He cares. He doesn't care because He suffers. He made us similar to Himself, in a way. (edited)
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (May 17, 2017 at 11:27 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(May 17, 2017 at 11:21 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: That doesn't make sense to me. A perfect being wouldn't need to suffer in order to care. Yeah. Hence my point about Christians needing to be offended on God's behalf. As if He can't protect himself.  (May 17, 2017 at 10:21 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:(May 17, 2017 at 7:30 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Blah, blah, blah. Didn't read a word. I'm sorry, what?
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 (May 17, 2017 at 10:05 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(May 16, 2017 at 8:21 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: If you want to posit the non-physical as an explanation, go out and find me this non-physical. I don't have the foggiest what you're on about. If asking for evidence and a model of the non-physical before it is accepted as an explanation is begging the question, well then I'll gladly beg the question. ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg) (May 17, 2017 at 11:30 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:(May 17, 2017 at 11:27 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ok. I would disagree, but that is irrelevant. I was explaining why we feel offended on God's behalf, and it's for the same reason we feel offended on our parent's behalf, or on behalf of anyone else we have strong feelings for. So hopefully that is understood now. Did you not understand? It's not about Him being able to protect Himself or not, and neither is it about us needing to do anything. We feel offended on the behalf of those we love when they get called bad names, get made fun of, etc. That's a very natural human reaction.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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