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The Case Against Compatabilism
#11
RE: The Case Against Compatabilism
What do you mean by share process?

Do you mean I think out loud?

Yeah totally. And I'm exactly like this in RL too. Ask pocaracas for confirmation Big Grin
We do not change our minds. Our minds change us.
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RE: The Case Against Compatabilism
(18th May 2017, 22:20)Succubus Wrote: Two metaphysical libertarians, a hard incompatabilist and a bowl of petunias walk into a bar, and the barman says; err... I'll get back later.

Sorry but this: "err... I'll get back later.". Was 'me'. I couldn't remember the rest of the joke. Sorry if I caused confusion Tongue
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: The Case Against Compatabilism
(19th May 2017, 11:41)Hammy Wrote:
(19th May 2017, 11:35)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Personally, I think the distinction between compatibalism and determinism is largely a distinction without a difference. In neither case, can anyone alter the trajectory of efficient causes and both presuppose physical causal closure.

Compatabilism and determinism are certainly not the same thing....



So there are three separate questions. There is the question "Is free will possible?" there's the question "If free will is possible is it possible in a deterministic universe?" and there's the question "Do you believe in a deterministic universe?".

Yes you've staked out the various positions nicely as far as what people believe. What people believe doesn't mean their positions are coherent. The problem is that they don't agree on the definition of free will. There's no difference between being compelled to choose a certain way and being compelled to act a certain way.
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RE: The Case Against Compatabilism
Of course there is. If the 'choice' you 'make' is ultimately forced by someone or something else... then that's different to you not being ultimately forced by someone or something else.
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