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The Case Against Compatabilism
#11
RE: The Case Against Compatabilism
What do you mean by share process?

Do you mean I think out loud?

Yeah totally. And I'm exactly like this in RL too. Ask pocaracas for confirmation Big Grin
"Work quickly. And the same applies for doing albums or any project. Just work quickly. You can fix it later if you need to., Work quickly, get it in there and and you know what? Try not to fiddle. If you've got lots of things that you want to do to change it then maybe what you are trying to do is do another project. Don't keep imposing all your fresh ideas on the old work. Do it, finish it, get it done good enough - do it and then: do something else. Don't keep fiddling. I see people get lost regurgitating an album that sounds good! They might play me an album and I say "That's great! Get it out."

Five years later they've regurgitated that same album so much that it's not even the same album anymore and you wonder what went on and what process went on in their heads." - Paul Hartnoll
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#12
RE: The Case Against Compatabilism
(18th May 2017, 22:20)Succubus Wrote: Two metaphysical libertarians, a hard incompatabilist and a bowl of petunias walk into a bar, and the barman says; err... I'll get back later.

Sorry but this: "err... I'll get back later.". Was 'me'. I couldn't remember the rest of the joke. Sorry if I caused confusion Tongue
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RE: The Case Against Compatabilism
(19th May 2017, 11:41)Hammy Wrote:
(19th May 2017, 11:35)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Personally, I think the distinction between compatibalism and determinism is largely a distinction without a difference. In neither case, can anyone alter the trajectory of efficient causes and both presuppose physical causal closure.

Compatabilism and determinism are certainly not the same thing....



So there are three separate questions. There is the question "Is free will possible?" there's the question "If free will is possible is it possible in a deterministic universe?" and there's the question "Do you believe in a deterministic universe?".

Yes you've staked out the various positions nicely as far as what people believe. What people believe doesn't mean their positions are coherent. The problem is that they don't agree on the definition of free will. There's no difference between being compelled to choose a certain way and being compelled to act a certain way.
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RE: The Case Against Compatabilism
Of course there is. If the 'choice' you 'make' is ultimately forced by someone or something else... then that's different to you not being ultimately forced by someone or something else.
"Work quickly. And the same applies for doing albums or any project. Just work quickly. You can fix it later if you need to., Work quickly, get it in there and and you know what? Try not to fiddle. If you've got lots of things that you want to do to change it then maybe what you are trying to do is do another project. Don't keep imposing all your fresh ideas on the old work. Do it, finish it, get it done good enough - do it and then: do something else. Don't keep fiddling. I see people get lost regurgitating an album that sounds good! They might play me an album and I say "That's great! Get it out."

Five years later they've regurgitated that same album so much that it's not even the same album anymore and you wonder what went on and what process went on in their heads." - Paul Hartnoll
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