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Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]
RE: Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]
Tonight's episode was epic AF. I wouldn't have changed a thing. SO GOOD!
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RE: Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]
(August 6, 2017 at 11:04 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: Tonight's episode was epic AF. I wouldn't have changed a thing. SO GOOD!

I liked it a lot too, but there is one, small gripe.

Bronn, like Aegon said, would not save Jaime. He'd leave his gold to live. He'd fight the dragon to give himself a fighting chance of making it out of the field of fire. But he would not jump in front of a firebreathing lizard to save Jaime. I like Bronn. But this is the guy that left Tyrion to the hands of The Mountain to be slaughtered. Gold and riches are a close second, but survival comes first.
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RE: Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]
(August 7, 2017 at 5:07 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote:
(August 6, 2017 at 11:04 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: Tonight's episode was epic AF. I wouldn't have changed a thing. SO GOOD!

I liked it a lot too, but there is one, small gripe.

Bronn, like Aegon said, would not save Jaime. He'd leave his gold to live. He'd fight the dragon to give himself a fighting chance of making it out of the field of fire. But he would not jump in front of a firebreathing lizard to save Jaime. I like Bronn. But this is the guy that left Tyrion to the hands of The Mountain to be slaughtered. Gold and riches are a close second, but survival comes first.

Could've been DICKon that saved Jamie, but it looks like it was Bronn.

The only thing about this episode that was in any way disappointing was Bronn's character. He is selfish and out to change his station in life. Maybe he realizes that without Jamie he is just an unlanded sellsword, so he needs Jamie to be alive to give him what he is promised. Yeah. That makes sense to me.
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RE: Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]
(August 7, 2017 at 8:00 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:
(August 7, 2017 at 5:07 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote: I liked it a lot too, but there is one, small gripe.

Bronn, like Aegon said, would not save Jaime. He'd leave his gold to live. He'd fight the dragon to give himself a fighting chance of making it out of the field of fire. But he would not jump in front of a firebreathing lizard to save Jaime. I like Bronn. But this is the guy that left Tyrion to the hands of The Mountain to be slaughtered. Gold and riches are a close second, but survival comes first.

Could've been DICKon that saved Jamie, but it looks like it was Bronn.

The only thing about this episode that was in any way disappointing was Bronn's character. He is selfish and out to change his station in life. Maybe he realizes that without Jamie he is just an unlanded sellsword, so he needs Jamie to be alive to give him what he is promised. Yeah. That makes sense to me.

It was Bronn, on the white horse he saw and took after the scorpion got blown up.
Yeah, but he's Always held survival as the highest importance, rightfully so. He fled without his gold from the dothraki horseman because he didn't want to risk his life for it. I can't see him risking his life to that extent for Jaime. I know what you mean, but it doesn't make sense to me. But, whatever, the show must go on.
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RE: Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]
(August 6, 2017 at 10:14 pm)Jello Wrote: Well, the dragon somewhat surprised me.

That's the first time i've ever had my jaw drop involuntarily... >.>

The entire scene leading up to it, they did a lot of shots that had tons of sky in them. Something about that, and the fact that we know Dany isn't at Dragon's Reach anymore, told me exactly what was about to happen.

The Dothraki are so badass.

(August 7, 2017 at 8:10 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote: He fled without his gold from the dothraki horseman because he didn't want to risk his life for it. I can't see him risking his life to that extent for Jaime. I know what you mean, but it doesn't make sense to me. But, whatever, the show must go on.

You could think of it as he saved Jaime because without him, he can't get more gold.
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RE: Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]
(August 7, 2017 at 10:16 am)Shell B Wrote:
(August 6, 2017 at 10:14 pm)Jello Wrote: Well, the dragon somewhat surprised me.

That's the first time i've ever had my jaw drop involuntarily... >.>

The entire scene leading up to it, they did a lot of shots that had tons of sky in them. Something about that, and the fact that we know Dany isn't at Dragon's Reach anymore, told me exactly what was about to happen.

The Dothraki are so badass.

(August 7, 2017 at 8:10 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote: He fled without his gold from the dothraki horseman because he didn't want to risk his life for it. I can't see him risking his life to that extent for Jaime. I know what you mean, but it doesn't make sense to me. But, whatever, the show must go on.

You could think of it as he saved Jaime because without him, he can't get more gold.

I could... And I guess maybe I'm nitpicking here. But I don't. If he got killed, which he won't have gotten but which he should have gotten with 99% certainty in any real situation, he wouldn't be able to get more gold neither. It's why he refused to fight the mountain for Tyrion... But ah, I'm not bringing forth new points. I've been repeating myself , I guess I don't have any more to say on the matter.
The episode was still amazing though.
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RE: Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]
(August 7, 2017 at 8:10 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote: It was Bronn, on the white horse he saw and took after the scorpion got blown up.
Yeah, but he's Always held survival as the highest importance, rightfully so. He fled without his gold from the dothraki horseman because he didn't want to risk his life for it. I can't see him risking his life to that extent for Jaime. I know what you mean, but it doesn't make sense to me. But, whatever, the show must go on.

I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be. There are many ways to explain Bronn's somewhat uncharacteristic "chivalry", at least until the show reveals his motivations in a future episode.

First of all - show Bronn is a much more prominent character, than his book counterpart, largely due to his popularity among fans. In fact - he's so much a part of the main cast, that we should expect him to have some sort of an arc, rather than to remain the same one-dimensional sardonic sell-sword. His circumstances have changed - the entire world has changed - it makes sense, that Bronn's outlook on life would at least begin to change as well.

When Bronn refused to risk his life for Tyrion, he was on top of the world - he was about to get a castle, a wife and a high status position. There was nothing more Tyrion could give him, that would compel him to risk his life and fortune against the Mountain. Also - the whole world wasn't at war, there were no dragons, or Dothraki hordes in Westeros, Lannisters looked like they had a strong grasp on the crown, having beaten back both Rob Stark and Stannis. In other words - retirement in King's Landing might have seemed like a viable option, back then.

Right now Bronn's future is directly connected with Jamie Lannister. Given his previous association with Tyrion, he can't really hope for Queen Cersei to have much of a soft spot for him, never mind a castle, especially if he comes back to her without Jamie. He hasn't got a castle, a family, or anything else to fall back on, really, even the gold he was given he just lost. And having worked for Lannisters for a few years now (hard to tell exactly how long, due to all the "jet-packing", that's been going on) he definitely has made some enemies. He's not just some unknown cut-throat anymore, nor does he want to be, having tried "the good life" among the upper classes.

Moreover - being in the middle of a losing battle on his own, among all the enemies - he's very likely to be indiscriminately killed, along with other Lannister soldiers. As a part of Jamie's "entourage" and one of his officers - he has a better chance of being captured instead. In fact - if he does end up a prisoner - having saved Jamie's life could re-gain him the favor of Tyrion, who might be willing and able to persuade his queen to let his old pal live, at least temporarily. Bronn has drunk enough wine with both Lanninster brothers to know, that there is a strong bond between them, even if they're on opposing sides of the conflict right now.

If he was feeling particularly cheeky - he could possibly even claim, that he knocked Jamie off of his horse, as an act of betrayal - in order to prevent him from lancing Daenerys, so that he could switch sides (although the success of that "strategy" would largely depend on how many people could identify him as the guy shooting the ballista at her dragon; still - a long shot is better than none).

And if he and Jamie make it out of that slaughter somehow, having Jamie (who - as we know - is rather helpless without his sword-hand) as a potential hostage/prisoner could give Bronn some leverage, if he needed to subsequently negotiate for his life, or gold with either Cersei, Tyrion, or Daenerys.

In other words - Bronn hasn't got much to lose, at that moment, and he's most likely still looking out for himself, when he stops Jamie's suicidal charge. He risked his life for Lannisters a bunch of times before, even though he wasn't surrounded by Dothraki and dragon fire. Desperate times - desperate measures.

Or perhaps he's just gay for Jamie... Tongue I mean - who could blame him?
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RE: Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]
Remember though that nothing is black and white in GoT. Bronn is a sellsword and practical but like everyone else he is more than that. He might have some regard for Jamie.
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RE: Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]
Plus now Jaime will pretty much HAVE to give him that castle he's always wanted.
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RE: Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]
You're all assuming the weight of Jaime's gold hand doesn't drag him down to the murky depths...
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