Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]

[Homeless Nutter]

[...]Anyone else thrown off by the Tyrion outside the door scene near the end there? He seemed bothered by Jon and Dany hooking up, but the character has no reason to be. It was weird and unlike him, unless I read the scene wrong and they just wanted to show that he noticed.

Perhaps Tyrion - like many of us, viewers - caught a glimpse of the sh*tty, worn-out, fairy-tale cliche, that this show is apparently going to go out on. Dark, brooding, violent prince with a busty blonde sperm-receptacle on his arm. Yay! Jon Snow is no longer a bastard. Yay! Daenerys is not actually barren (I mean - Jon Snow didn't bring this up without a reason, this is not a show with any kind of nuance or subtlety anymore; next season - 100% - her uterus will be primed and ready to squirt out as many inbred princelings as is deemed necessary). Oh, I just can't wait for all the diabetes-inducing "happily ever-afters", that will undoubtedly please all those viewers, who only ever want to hear the same story, over and over - the story of attractive, high-born people getting married and having attractive, high-born children, preferably with some nice explosions in the background... 

I expect season 8 will continue sh*tting on whatever has been established earlier, for the sake of convenience and popular appeal. Prepare for the awesome twists yet to come.  Samwell is not actually fat. Tyrion was never really a dwarf. Bran is no longer crippled. Jamie's hand, as well as Theon's and Grey Worm's genitals grow back. Ned Stark has been alive this entire time. And the Nightking's army is defeated by Ewoks... 

This show turned out to be a big bait-and-switch. And I'm guessing the creators see it in pretty much the same way. They took the job of adapting GRRM's books, all of which were supposed to be out by now - and they were doing a good job of it. They didn't sign up to create the last third of the story practically from scratch, in a relatively short amount if time - and they're clearly not great at this. I'll bet they can't wait for the show to be over and done with, so that they can focus on spending all that money.

[Little lunch]

Busty blonde sperm receptacle?
Isn't she ever!
Best GOT yet.
Certain parts had me giggling like a school girl. :-)

[Iroscato]

[...]Anyone else thrown off by the Tyrion outside the door scene near the end there? He seemed bothered by Jon and Dany hooking up, but the character has no reason to be. It was weird and unlike him, unless I read the scene wrong and they just wanted to show that he noticed.

Perhaps Tyrion - like many of us, viewers - caught a glimpse of the sh*tty, worn-out, fairy-tale cliche, that this show is apparently going to go out on. Dark, brooding, violent prince with a busty blonde sperm-receptacle on his arm. Yay! Jon Snow is no longer a bastard. Yay! Daenerys is not actually barren (I mean - Jon Snow didn't bring this up without a reason, this is not a show with any kind of nuance or subtlety anymore; next season - 100% - her uterus will be primed and ready to squirt out as many inbred princelings as is deemed necessary). Oh, I just can't wait for all the diabetes-inducing "happily ever-afters", that will undoubtedly please all those viewers, who only ever want to hear the same story, over and over - the story of sexual attractive, high-born people getting married and having attractive, high-born children, preferably with some nice explosions in the background... 

I expect season 8 will continue sh*tting on whatever has been established earlier, for the sake of convenience and popular appeal. Prepare for the awesome twists yet to come.  Samwell is not actually fat. Tyrion was never really a dwarf. Bran is no longer crippled. Jamie's hand, as well as Theon's and Grey Worm's genitals grow back. Ned Stark has been alive this entire time. And the Nightking's army is defeated by Ewoks... 

This show turned out to be a big bait-and-switch. And I'm guessing the creators see it in pretty much the same way. They took the job of adapting GRRM's books, all of which were supposed to be out by now - and they were doing a good job of it. They didn't sign up to create the last third of the story practically from scratch, in a relatively short amount if time - and they're clearly not great at this. I'll bet they can't wait for the show to be over and done with, so that they can focus on spending all that money.

I get the vague impression you didn't take too kindly to s7, for some reason.

[FatAndFaithless]

Homeless seems to be looking for literally every possible negative thing to say about every moment of the show, for some reason. The season had some goofy time-skips, but I thoroughly enjoyed it overall - lots of cool shit happened.

As to why Tyrion looked so pensive outside the incest-room - it just complicates things. The north and Dany are no longer just military allies, they're now caught up in the very muddy waters of affection..which we know can make people act in strange, ultimately self-destructive ways (looking at you, Robb Stark). Things would've been a whole lot easier if Dany and Jon were just queen and vassal, especially if they ever end up disagreeing on something.

[Aroura]

That theory is so canon I just can't.

FIFY

I've never heard that one before, wow! Lol

This must be why the show has ceased to surprise me. I've already seen every possible outcome in the form of fan theories! Honestly. In the time since the first book was released, we've all had too much time to guess everything.

Honestly though, i was dealing with the breakneck pace and the apparent teleporting around in the show without getting too bent, until episode 6. Jon and company are looking for a whitewalker past the wall, get in trouble, and send the blacksmith running back for help. Alrighty. So then he gets back to the wall, and sends a raven to Danny at Dragonstone. The raven arrives, and Dany flies to dragonstone all in less than the time it took for the ice to freeze back over, and the party not to freeze to death or die of thirst. Less than 48 hours, then. Wtf, just no.
The zombie ice dragon added to team walkers is a nice touch, but other than that everything felt like watching someone connect some very obvious dots. Not a big fan of ep 6.

Episode 7 was slightly redeeming, for a lot of characters and the show itself. The lone wolf speech at the end was a nice touch, referring I think to Cercei choosing to go it alone, while the rest band together.
It was nice to see the master plotter finally go down. Love Arya looking so unconcerned doing it. I will not miss Littlefingers creepy soft raspy voice, or his annoying smirk.
Theons plotline still felt silly and predictable and forced, but the rest was pretty good. I thought the dragon was breathing blue fire, btw, didn't cross my mind that it might make no sense. Did Tormond and Dondarion survived the collapsing wall? I couldn't tell.

Will the heroes all complete their redemtion arcs and save humanity from the zomb...I mean white walkers? Will it turn out that Game of Thrones/ASoIaF isn't actually different, and that the only quirk was they made secondary characters appear important for a few seasons/books before killing them off and giving us our true main characters? Otherwise typical predictable fantasy, albeit with great characters? Will we lose one or two of these in the final battle as token death sacrufices, but otherwise have a fairly happy ending?
Guess we have to wait a year to find out. My guess is yes to all of the above.

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P.s. Blaming the show creators for this predictable and probable happily ever after outcome is silly. Martin may have written it slightly darker along the way, but if the end is that Jon and Danny get together and make more Targaryon princes, then that is ultimately the same end Martin was aiming at. After all, in the BOOKS, Danny has an apparent miscarriage at the end of 5. She can get preggers already. Nothing to do with Jon or magic sperm. All the dominos are set up already for this outcome in the books. How else can the end it? The zombies win? All the main characters die fighting the zombies, or each other, and so knowing all their histories and stories and if Jon is a Targaryon or how Bran became the 3 eyed raven become utterly pointless, and Gendry is forced to ascend the throne as the last surviving heir to a recent ruler? Or maybe even he dies, and the show ends with the 7 kingdoms locked in an ongoing civil war?

No, none of those would be satisying either. Imho, this show cannot end in a satisfying way. It will either be predictably happy, or stupidly pointless, ala Lost. Martin wrote himself into a corner, with characters and prophocies. Some other folks are working to fix that as best they can, and if they manage in the slightest, I hope I'm aware enough to be grateful that someone even tried, instead of abandoning it half way.....

Who knows, maybe they will still find a way to surprise us, and give us a creative and satisying ending. I wish them the very best in doing so.

[SteelCurtain]

FTFY

My personal theory is that The birth of Y kills C, fulfilling Magga's prophecy.

E is for Egg.
In memory of Maester Aemon.

The precocious boy who was never meant to be king... Okay.

[Homeless Nutter]

I get the vague impression you didn't take too kindly to s7, for some reason.

I've not been particularly impressed ever since the show got ahead of the books. Too many stupid, half-baked plots of no particular consequence, convenient and/or predictable twists, people acting out of character, or just completely moronically. Everybody wearing "plot armor", except for people the writers don't know what to do with anymore, who get brought back and killed off ASAP, in order to tie up loose ends, without having to come up with ideas, stories, or explanations. Generally - lazy writing. If there's a plot-hole, or an inconsistency, the writers seem to think that having some character openly point it out, or make a joke about it - means it's no longer a problem.

This show used to be unpredictable, at least in the sense, that you could expect any of the main characters to die, pretty much at any time. When was the last time an important person and a fan-favorite died? And with this stupid Hollywood ending, that's obviously coming up, aimed at suburban housewives - the stakes seem the lowest they've ever been.

[FatAndFaithless]

You act like you already know the ending, and that the ending of the show will be vastly different than the books. There might be a few different characters alive/dead, but GRRM has told the show runners all the major story points and the ending.

[Clueless Morgan]

But why would the lords of the Vale side with Sansa? Who will control the stupid kid?... or maybe he has some bad accident and someone else gets appointed Lord of the Vale... I'd vote for that.

Sansa has proven that she's not a stupid kid and I think she's proven that to the lords of the Vale.  Presumably, everyone was simply tired of Little Finger's bullshit and they were ready to get rid of him and one of them would be named to Little Finger's place.

R+L=J
J=E
E+D=X

C+J=Y

X+Y=?

C-J=deserved

J+B=

T-B=

T+alive? =  

V+NK=

me+ HTW1YFTNS =



But seriously, X=Y? Nuh-uh.

The Iron islanders were weird.... first cheering for the guy that was saying what was going through everyone's minds - shitty Theon, coward, cockless (wink at Bronn)... then, just because he caught the one guy by surprise, by not having balls, and managed to subdue him... now everyone cheers for Theon?! What did they think? "oh shit, this cockless kid is almost fainting but is certainly worth me going to battle against Euron and his maniac band!"... yeah... nope!

I took that scene to mean that Theon was becoming iron-born again, proving his strength to his men.  He's down but he's not out and he'll keep fighting for them through the secret weapon on no longer having nads.

FIFY

I've never heard that one before, wow! Lol

you mean this guy?

Will the heroes all complete their redemtion arcs and save humanity from the zomb...I mean white walkers? Will it turn out that Game of Thrones/ASoIaF isn't actually different, and that the only quirk was they made secondary characters appear important for a few seasons/books before killing them off and giving us our true main characters?

You mean Pod and Gendry?

Where did Gendry go, BTW?

[Homeless Nutter]

You act like you already know the ending, and that the ending of the show will be vastly different than the books.  There might be a few different characters alive/dead, but GRRM has told the show runners all the major story points and the ending.

Yeah, that's nice. But you act like you know how this went on. There are billion dollar contracts at stake here, which we haven't seen. Who knows what kind of clauses the network has in there, in order to have influence over the plot of the show, in order to suit their massive audience - especially in case GRRM doesn't keep up with his publishing schedule, which he didn't? 

Call me cynical, but there's too much at stake and there are too many lawyers involved, for this whole thing to have been resolved by GRRM having a little chat with Benioff and Weiss, about how he wants the show to end.

Maybe GRRM planned for this ending, or another but since HBO is paying the bills and someone else is doing the writing work - it's not unthinkable, that Martin would "take some notes", regarding keeping popular characters alive, or making the attractive protagonists end up together and having Royal Babies, on the account that this is the kind of nonsense soap-opera audiences can't get enough of. And if the author did in fact form, or adjust his plans for the ending of the yet unwritten/unpublished books, based on whatever HBO's focus groups decided would be the most acceptable for the largest number of viewers - we may never know. Especially, that if the show ends the story first, in one particular way, it's unlikely that GRRM will end the books completely differently, whatever his original plans might have (or have not) been.

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I think Daenerys should marry Theon. Then, she and Misande could giggle over their boyfriends' mutilated junk.