An intro to my non-materialist view

[Bunburryist]

I'm obviously wasting your time. Thanks for trying.

[The Grand Nudger]

You're going over the whole thing with a magnifying glass and missing the whole point.  I'm simply trying to make the distinction between experiences happening in a material brain (what you would call "representations") and the material objects they are supposed to represent.

Most make that distinction, but that's not all you're doing.

 The experience of "seeing a beige keyboard" (which cannot be "made of atoms") is not the same as the material keyboard (which being made of atoms can't have color as an aspect).   What don't you understand?

OFC the experience can be made of atoms.  The atoms that make up your brain.  No, the idea of the thing is not the thing..but again there's a batshit aside about how the beige thing can't be beige....because atoms?  

I'm obviously wasting your time.  Thanks for trying.

Don't worry about me, I come on here specifically to waste time.  How about you, how much time have you wasted with the thoughts that formed these comments.



Just ribbing you, but, for realz.....these have been very, very sloppy thoughts. Is there any term for whatever position you hold...for your non-materialist view? It might be easier for me to just look it up?

[brewer]

I'm obviously wasting your time.  Thanks for trying.

Actually I think that you are wasting your time. More than just your time on this forum. 

But I'm still curious. What's you take on the schizophrenic "experience"?

[LadyForCamus]

You're going over the whole thing with a magnifying glass and missing the whole point.  I'm simply trying to make the distinction between experiences happening in a material brain (what you would call "representations") and the material objects they are supposed to represent.  The experience of "seeing a beige keyboard" (which cannot be "made of atoms") is not the same as the material keyboard (which being made of atoms can't have color as an aspect).   What don't you understand?

Okay, I'll bite.

I understand what you're saying, but would you mind explaining its significance as it relates to your personal non-materialist world view?  I don't see the profundity here.  Obviously our conscious experiences of the world are just that; experiences of the world. I am not The World.  I am a being experiencing The World.  Sure, there are no "keyboard atoms" in my brain, but the neurons generating my experience of the keyboard are made of atoms.  I guess I'm missing the point...

[Amarok]

You're going over the whole thing with a magnifying glass and missing the whole point.  I'm simply trying to make the distinction between experiences happening in a material brain (what you would call "representations") and the material objects they are supposed to represent.  The experience of "seeing a beige keyboard" (which cannot be "made of atoms") is not the same as the material keyboard (which being made of atoms can't have color as an aspect).   What don't you understand?

Okay, I'll bite.

I understand what you're saying, but would you mind explaining its significance as it relates to your personal non-materialist world view?  I don't see the profundity here.  Obviously our conscious experiences of the world are just that; experiences of the world. I am not The World.  I am a being experiencing The World.  Sure, there are no "keyboard atoms" in my brain, but the neurons generating my experience of the keyboard are made of atoms.  I guess I'm missing the point...

He essentially trying to say the your thoughts are made of mysteriani magic dust

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You're going over the whole thing with a magnifying glass and missing the whole point.  I'm simply trying to make the distinction between experiences happening in a material brain (what you would call "representations") and the material objects they are supposed to represent.  The experience of "seeing a beige keyboard" (which cannot be "made of atoms") is not the same as the material keyboard (which being made of atoms can't have color as an aspect).   What don't you understand?

Okay, I'll bite.

I understand what you're saying, but would you mind explaining its significance as it relates to your personal non-materialist world view?  I don't see the profundity here.  Obviously our conscious experiences of the world are just that; experiences of the world. I am not The World.  I am a being experiencing The World.  Sure, there are no "keyboard atoms" in my brain, but the neurons generating my experience of the keyboard are made of atoms.  I guess I'm missing the point...

He essentially trying to say the your thoughts are made of mysteriani magic dust