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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 2:21 pm
(May 30, 2017 at 12:20 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: coexist = religion continually getting a bloody nose from so many wrong predictions about nature of the universe however ??
More like:
Coexist = stop poking holes in our cash cow with your stupid reality.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 2:23 pm
(May 30, 2017 at 5:30 pm)Aliza Wrote: Saying "I don't know" just sounds lazy, like we're somehow destined not to know. We're curious, and we like to know what's going on and how it all happens. We may not know how it all happens yet, but many of us like trying to figure it out.
There's all the difference in the world between "I don't know so it's an ineffable mystery" and "I don't know - let's find out".
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 2:24 pm
(June 1, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Lek Wrote: But we also must remember that many things people considered scientific facts 100 years ago are not accepted as such today.
Examples?
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 2:27 pm
(June 1, 2017 at 2:24 pm)Cyberman Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Lek Wrote: But we also must remember that many things people considered scientific facts 100 years ago are not accepted as such today.
Examples?
Right off the top of my head, Pluto was a planet.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 2:30 pm
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So the definition of planet is broader now, in light of further discovery. Pluto itself is unchanged. Anything else? You did say there were many things.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 2:33 pm
Indeed, 'planet' simply means 'wandering star'. While it does 'wander', as distinct from being relatively fixed, it's never going to be a star. Your argument is with nomenclature, not with science.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 2:43 pm
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(June 1, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Lek Wrote: Co-existence works for me. Facts are facts. But we also must remember that many things people considered scientific facts 100 years ago are not accepted as such today. I also don't accept science as the ultimate method of discovering truth. If science hasn't or can't provide an answer I'm open to pursuing that answer by other means and have found answers by doing so.
Well done, you've discovered the self correcting nature of science. Who was it that made the corrections to these facts, a dowser, an astrologer or a scientist?
(June 1, 2017 at 2:27 pm)Lek Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 2:24 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Examples?
Right off the top of my head, Pluto was a planet.
We weren’t aware of Pluto's existence 100 years ago.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 2:48 pm
(June 1, 2017 at 2:27 pm)Lek Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 2:24 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Examples?
Right off the top of my head, Pluto was a planet.
The scientific facts about Pluto did not change, other than we have learned MORE about it, in the intervening 87 years since it was discovered.
All that changed is its classification.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 2:50 pm
And now for something completely off topic. How does the forum software decide when and how to embed one post on top of an other. For example my previous post was actually two separate posts.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 2:55 pm
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(June 1, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Lek Wrote: Co-existence works for me. Facts are facts. But we also must remember that many things people considered scientific facts 100 years ago are not accepted as such today.
Yes, because we add to our knowledge, and make modifications with the new knowledge. Tossing out bad models not supported by evidence, and adding new models better supported by the new evidence.
Quote:I also don't accept science as the ultimate method of discovering truth.
It has proven to be, BY FAR, the single best method we've yet come across.
Name another method, that is as reliable, across all religious and cultural back grounds.
Quote:If science hasn't or can't provide an answer I'm open to pursuing that answer by other means and have found answers by doing so.
And billions of people have found answers that differ from yours, when they use 'other means' based on their religious beliefs.
Again, proving that your 'other means' are not reliable.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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