BREAKING: Van runs down several pedestrians in London

[SteelCurtain]

And it is blatantly ignorant to insist that Islam has nothing to do with these repeated attacks, all of which come from people taking the lives of innocents in the name of your God. Or an entire Caliphate that uses other verses in that same book to justify violence in the name of your God.

Stick your head in the sand, jackass, and pretend that this has nothing to do with Islam.

[WinterHold]

There are few religions that doesn't call for peace explicitly.   Islam is exceptional only in that it has so retarded the growth of those upon whom it has inflicted itself that cheap suicide violence now appear to many of them to be the only means to avoid facing the general Muslim inability to avoid becoming utterly marginalized in any peace suitable to an advanced society.

So if Islam truly preaches peace, then it must preach its own extinction.  Otherwise is it merely seeking to aggrandize itself by violence, the only means remaining to it, at the expense of general human progress, under the false flag of peace.

When there are straightforward verses, that prohibits the murder of innocent people, and further more preaches to repay peace with peace, then the excuses for random violence and mass murder lose their ground.

The attacks seem as the product of an idiot, a retarded individual who can't even read. If the Quran is too complicated for them; they shouldn't act until learning how to read. 

A terrorist has to explain to me how would he get around these verses.

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And it is blatantly ignorant to insist that Islam has nothing to do with these repeated attacks, all of which come from people taking the lives of innocents in the name of your God. Or an entire Caliphate that uses other verses in that same book to justify violence in the name of your God.

Stick your head in the sand, jackass, and pretend that this has nothing to do with Islam.

No.
It's actually smart:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by the regime of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention.[1] Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[2] funding began with $20–$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[1] Funding continued after 1989 as the mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992).[3]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone#cite_note-3][/url]
I bet Nicola, the soviet pilot who got shot down, was repeating your comment before his fans catch fire due to Allahu....I mean CIAaho Akbar...
Stinger....

[Fidel_Castronaut]

And it is blatantly ignorant to insist that Islam has nothing to do with these repeated attacks, all of which come from people taking the lives of innocents in the name of your God. Or an entire Caliphate that uses other verses in that same book to justify violence in the name of your God.

Stick your head in the sand, jackass, and pretend that this has nothing to do with Islam.

A man who tried to stop the guys from stabbing folks claims they were shouting 'this is for Allah' as they they repeatedly stabbed a young woman 15+ times. 

Completely agree.

Again, we'll get the 'pray for london' or 'pray for [insert city]' and people will 'unite against hate', and then next week another city will get hit like Kabul was earlier and the cycle will begin again, and nothing will change. Not until the cancer of extremism is cut out.

[downbeatplumb]

I just saw that on TV now.

This was obviously the work of far-right terrorists or Christian extremists.  

Good point, there are many far right terrorist groups.

United Kingdom[edit]
In April 1999, David Copeland, a neo-Nazi, planted a series of nail bombs over 13 days, causing explosions in Brixton, Brick Lane (in east London), and Soho (in central London). His attacks, which were aimed at London's black, Bangladeshi and gay communities, resulted in three dead and more than 100 injured.[60] Copeland was a former member of two far right political groups, the British National Party (BNP) and the National Socialist Movement. Copeland told police, "My aim was political. It was to cause a racial war in this country. There'd be a backlash from the ethnic minorities, then all the white people will go out and vote BNP."[61]
In July 2007, Robert Cottage, a former BNP member, was convicted for possessing explosive chemicals in his home – described by police at the time of his arrest as the largest amount of chemical explosive of its type ever found in that country.[62] In June 2008, Martyn Gilleard, a British Nazi sympathizer, was jailed after police found nail bombs, bullets, swords, axes and knives in his flat.[63] Also in 2008, Nathan Worrell was found guilty of possession of material for terrorist purposes and racially aggravated harassment. He was described by anti-terror police as a "dangerous individual". The court heard that police found books and manuals containing "recipes" to make bombs and detonators using household items, such as weedkiller, at Worrell's flat.[64] In July 2009, Neil Lewington was planning on waging a terror campaign using weapons made from tennis balls and weedkiller against those he classified as "non British".[65]
In 2012, the British Home Affairs Committee warned of the threat of far right terrorism in the UK, claiming it had heard "persuasive evidence" about the potential danger and cited the growth of similar threats across Europe.[66]
Members of Combat 18 (C18), a neo-Nazi organisation based on the concept of "leaderless resistance", have been suspected in numerous deaths of immigrants, non-whites and other C18 members.[67] Between 1998 and 2000, dozens of members were arrested.[68][69] A group calling itself the Racial Volunteer Force split from C18 in 2002, retaining close links to its parent organization.[70] Some journalists believed that the White Wolves were a C18 splinter group, alleging that the group had been set up by Del O'Connor, the former second-in-command of C18 and member of Skrewdriver Security.[71] C18 attacks on immigrants continued through 2009.[72] Weapons, ammunition and explosives were seized by police in the UK and almost every country in which C18 was active.
In 2016, Jo Cox, the Member of Parliament (MP) for the Batley and Spen constituency was murdered by Thomas Mair, who was motivated by far-right political views and had connections to several far-right organisations in the UK, US, and South Africa.[73]
On 16 December 2016 Home Secretary Amber Rudd designated the far-right, neo-Nazi National Action group as a terrorist organisation which criminalises membership or support for the organisatio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism

And Christian terrorist groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

[chimp3]

It's quite tragic to blame a religion that calls for peace explicitly:

Sura 8, Page 184, The Quran:
( 61 )   And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing.

Sura 5, Page 113, The Quran:
( 32 )   Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

Why aren't these verses brought up whenever a mass murder is carried out by a terrorist who claims he understood and read the Quran fully?

Because the verses that preach violence are more fitting to describe violent behavior.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

[zebo-the-fat]

I was quite surprised that from the first phone call to the emergency services to the last attacker being shot was just 8 minutes.
People are praying for the victims, why? What did their god do to prevent this?

[dyresand]

And it is blatantly ignorant to insist that Islam has nothing to do with these repeated attacks, all of which come from people taking the lives of innocents in the name of your God. Or an entire Caliphate that uses other verses in that same book to justify violence in the name of your God.

Stick your head in the sand, jackass, and pretend that this has nothing to do with Islam.

A man who tried to stop the guys from stabbing folks claims they were shouting 'this is for Allah' as they they repeatedly stabbed a young woman 15+ times. 

Completely agree.

Again, we'll get the 'pray for london' or 'pray for [insert city]' and people will 'unite against hate', and then next week another city will get hit like Kabul was earlier and the cycle will begin again, and nothing will change. Not until the cancer of extremism is cut out.

Little does the left know the that brewing hatred in the EU and UK and the rise of the far right and nationalists
it's going to turn bloody over there. Meanwhile the the left keeps saying everything is fine but looking at the EU and UK
not to mention sweden rape, crime, murders they are increasing simply put. The local populace had enough it will get to a point
where they will take matters into their own hands and they wouldn't be able do anything against that.

[WinterHold]

And it is blatantly ignorant to insist that Islam has nothing to do with these repeated attacks, all of which come from people taking the lives of innocents in the name of your God. Or an entire Caliphate that uses other verses in that same book to justify violence in the name of your God.

Stick your head in the sand, jackass, and pretend that this has nothing to do with Islam.

A man who tried to stop the guys from stabbing folks claims they were shouting 'this is for Allah' as they they repeatedly stabbed a young woman 15+ times. 

Completely agree.

Again, we'll get the 'pray for london' or 'pray for [insert city]' and people will 'unite against hate', and then next week another city will get hit like Kabul was earlier and the cycle will begin again, and nothing will change. Not until the cancer of extremism is cut out.

Speaking in numbers (just in 2015):
-Iraq: 2,418 terrorist attack
https://www.statista.com/statistics/2027...s-in-iraq/
An interesting link:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/...terrorism/

But countries in the Middle East are more at risk of terrorism than Western nations, according to figures released by the  institute for Economics and Peace.[/size][/color]

Reading into it; this is a global thing. And when the whole world is included; players can be anybody, and my first suspects are the politicians.
It's not me who visited Saudi Arabia and touched a lighting orb. Trump did.



Look into their faces, and you'll know the source of terrorism.

[WinterHold]

It's quite tragic to blame a religion that calls for peace explicitly:





Why aren't these verses brought up whenever a mass murder is carried out by a terrorist who claims he understood and read the Quran fully?

Because the verses that preach violence are more fitting to describe violent behavior.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

But who are these people the verse is speaking about?
Go back one verse to find:

Sura 2, Page 29, The Quran:
( 190 )   Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

The fight is against those who fight us; i.e soldiers.
British civilians have nothing to do with it, unless the reader of the verse has a serious problem in their heads.

If the terrorist has the slightest respect to God or the faith he claims he holds. then he should read and think twice before acting. How is a terrorist is willing to respond to verse 190 of Sura 2 ?

Killing civilians is transgression. Unless the terrorist has super powers that allows them to read thoughts.

British and American soldiers are in Iraq. They are equipped with fighting Jets, M4 carbines, Javelin rockets and more, not just them; Arabs and other Muslims fight to their side also; Russia is also there with her troops; there's a Salad in the Middle East. But fighting Muslims is not limited to the west; Muslims also fight Muslims. ISIS loves to behead other Muslims. 

So isn't it a bit retarded to kill some British gal in London, to avenge the fallen in Baghdad?? or slaughter a London resident, because a Muslim in Syria was killed by another Muslim? Just because the killer didn't flip the page while reading the Quran, to see verse 190 of Sura 2 ?

[chimp3]

Because the verses that preach violence are more fitting to describe violent behavior.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

But who are these people the verse is speaking about?
Go back one verse to find:

Sura 2, Page 29, The Quran:
( 190 )   Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

The fight is against those who fight us; i.e soldiers.
British civilians have nothing to do with it, unless the reader of the verse has a serious problem in their heads.

If the terrorist has the slightest respect to God or the faith he claims he holds. then he should read and think twice before acting. How is a terrorist is willing to respond to verse 190 of Sura 2 ?

Killing civilians is transgression. Unless the terrorist has super powers that allows them to read thoughts.

British and American soldiers are in Iraq. They are equipped with fighting Jets, M4 carbines, Javelin rockets and more, not just them; Arabs and other Muslims fight to their side also; Russia is also there with her troops; there's a Salad in the Middle East. But fighting Muslims is not limited to the west; Muslims also fight Muslims. ISIS loves to behead other Muslims. 

So isn't it a bit retarded to kill some British gal in London, to avenge the fallen in Baghdad?? or slaughter a London resident, because a Muslim in Syria was killed by another Muslim? Just because the killer didn't flip the page while reading the Quran, to see verse 190 of Sura 2 ?

Religion is a poison! Face it! We will never achieve world peace if we cling to iron age superstitions as a source of morality or politics.