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"Cultural Appropriation"
RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
Quote:Khemikal Wrote:
I insisted only that cultural appropriation had a definition, and that there are examples of it in the actual world.  I explictly acknowledged that not everyone agrees about what is or is not cultural appropriation, or whether or not it's "good™.
Stop, being, wrong...or let it go.

You have to PROVE someone is wrong but you think you can miss the point then declare yourself the victor? It doesn’t work that way.
“Reverse Racism” is a term that has a definition that people use. By your stupid logic that proves that it’s a valid term and therefore “reverse racism” is a real thing because it’s been defined by some people. You’re applying the same flawed reasoning here. You suck at logic and reasoning.
Stop being wrong.



Quote:Nice, yet another term which you seem to have some confusion over.  That a lack of acknowledgement is explicitly contained within the definition of cultural appropriation is not circular logic...it's a statement of brute fact.

It’s totally circular you fool. If I include “denial of it’s existence” in the term “reverse racism” then I can make the same stupid claim of “brute fact”. How dumb are you that this has to be spelled out for you? Why don’t we just include “denial of it’s existence” in every definition and end all debate? Oh yeah, because that’s a stupid idea.




Quote:-and you think it's my bigotry that makes a discussion with me impossible


Yes, and here’s exactly why your useless.
You patted yourself on the back in a self-aggrandizing way for your superhuman ability to tolerate the bigotry of friends and family. Then you have the gall to joke about me being the “not-bigot”. Is irony completely lost on you Mr. not-bigot?
You’re an idiotic, holier than thou, virtue signaling douchebag. Every discussion with you ends with your accusations of bigotry/racism so that makes you useless. You think that if bigots deny the existence of something like cultural appropriation that PROVES that ONLY bigots deny its existence. Flawed logic. Same as your claims that denial of being a racist is proof of racism. You’re really bad at logic while being full of yourself and that’s a terrible combination.

I pay no attention to anything you write because it’s always the same valueless nonsense. You bring nothing to every conversation.
I only reply when you quote me because I know from your track record that your intent is to vilify others while making yourself out to be the hero. 
You’re no hero, you’re a bigot. Every bigot feels justified in their bigotry and that includes you.
If god was real he wouldn't need middle men to explain his wants or do his bidding.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
(June 6, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I'm sorry I accept cultural appropriation because my people have been victims of it

What do you mean by victims?

People look at women who aren't Japanese wearing a kimono because it is pretty as cultural appropriation. In my opinion, this is 100% victimless. We have global culture these days.

Of course, if you mean something else where someone is actually a victim, I'll bite.

Edited: Forget it. I just read the first few pages of this thread. People are sensitive as all fuck. Nothing is actually sacred. Objects aren't as special as you think. I, like Isis, will buy, use, create and sometimes destroy accidentally anything I want from any culture I want at any time without any thought to anything spiritual because I'm not spiritual, so just because your religion isn't Abrahamic doesn't mean I have to respect it more.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
(June 11, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Crunchy Wrote: I pay no attention to anything you write because it’s always the same valueless nonsense.
That seems pretty obviously untrue, since you keep quoting Khemical about once a page.

(June 11, 2017 at 12:52 pm)Shell B Wrote:
(June 6, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I'm sorry I accept cultural appropriation because my people have been victims of it

What do you mean by victims?

People look at women who aren't Japanese wearing a kimono because it is pretty as cultural appropriation. In my opinion, this is 100% victimless. We have global culture these days.

Of course, if you mean something else where someone is actually a victim, I'll bite.

Edited: Forget it. I just read the first few pages of this thread. People are sensitive as all fuck. Nothing is actually sacred. Objects aren't as special as you think. I, like Isis, will buy, use, create and sometimes destroy accidentally anything I want from any culture I want at any time without any thought to anything spiritual because I'm not spiritual, so just because your religion isn't Abrahamic doesn't mean I have to respect it more.

Another white woman making a blanket statement about how cultural appropriation isn't a thing. . .

Is it your position that the native peoples of the US have NOT been victimized by white society?  Because that's not a very sensible position to take given the evidence.  

Perhaps next you'll tell us you didn't do anything to the dodo whose feather you have hanging on your wall. Big Grin
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
I think people who complain about cultural appropriation need to ask themselves if they want to live in the world of Molly Norris - here
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
(June 11, 2017 at 4:46 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Another white woman making a blanket statement about how cultural appropriation isn't a thing. . .

Boo-fucking hoo. You won't guilt me into not having an opinion because of my race and gender ever. Moreover, you have absolutely no way of knowing what my background is. I have a dreamcatcher hanging upstairs in my house that I made myself. Is it because I'm part native? Is it because I'm crafty? Is it because I have nightmares? Did someone pass down the craft to me while we made it together? None of that is any of your fucking business. I also never said cultural appropriation isn't a thing. I said that the way it's presented by hystericals like you, it's not a big deal. Can a person eat baguettes if they're not French? Is it wrong for British people to love curry, even though they colonized India forcibly?

Quote:Is it your position that the native peoples of the US have NOT been victimized by white society?

How in the fuck did you make that leap, champ? Don't be retarded. My position is that people wearing traditional native garb or owning native items isn't victimization. What are you going to say next? I personally marched folks down the Trail of Tears because I've sat in a teepee while wearing my pale skin?


Quote:Perhaps next you'll tell us you didn't do anything to the dodo whose feather you have hanging on your wall. Big Grin

Did you eat crack for breakfast? You're now saying I keep pieces of extinct animals on my wall? Not only is that ludicrous, it's also entirely possible to have a piece of an animal in your house that you never hurt.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
More cultural appropriation I would be loathe to abandon would include French kissing and Greek . . .
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
(June 12, 2017 at 10:28 am)Shell B Wrote: Boo-fucking hoo. You won't guilt me into not having an opinion because of my race and gender ever. Moreover, you have absolutely no way of knowing what my background is. I have a dreamcatcher hanging upstairs in my house that I made myself. Is it because I'm part native? Is it because I'm crafty? Is it because I have nightmares? Did someone pass down the craft to me while we made it together? None of that is any of your fucking business. I also never said cultural appropriation isn't a thing. I said that the way it's presented by hystericals like you, it's not a big deal. Can a person eat baguettes if they're not French? Is it wrong for British people to love curry, even though they colonized India forcibly?
Yeah, I'm pretty hysterical. That's why I made this thread, and I generally stand against the idea of cultural appropriation. I'm also, however, sensitive to the fact that one AF member has expressed a personal stake in this issue, and I'd rather hear what he has to say than to rail against him and tell him how unimportant his views are.


Quote:How in the fuck did you make that leap, champ? Don't be retarded. My position is that people wearing traditional native garb or owning native items isn't victimization. What are you going to say next? I personally marched folks down the Trail of Tears because I've sat in a teepee while wearing my pale skin?
Nope. And I'd agree with you about the garb. I can see Tizheruk's point, but I've already confessed that I don't really care enough to act on it.

Quote:Did you eat crack for breakfast? You're now saying I keep pieces of extinct animals on my wall? Not only is that ludicrous, it's also entirely possible to have a piece of an animal in your house that you never hurt.
The point is that a lack of direct harm, or even intent, neither makes one blameless nor reverses damage to a population if it's being done. I'd be very surprised indeed if you owned any actual dodo feathers.

(June 12, 2017 at 10:31 am)vorlon13 Wrote: More cultural appropriation I would be loathe to abandon would include French kissing and Greek . . .

. . . and Dutch ovens?
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
(June 12, 2017 at 11:05 am)bennyboy Wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty hysterical.  That's why I made this thread, and I generally stand against the idea of cultural appropriation.  I'm also, however, sensitive to the fact that one AF member has expressed a personal stake in this issue, and I'd rather hear what he has to say than to rail against him and tell him how unimportant his views are.

Yes, one AF member has expressed a personal stake in this issue. I expressed my opinion that it is ludicrous, not that his or her views are unimportant. He or she has gone as far as to say people in his or her culture shouldn't sell things relating to that culture. I don't think he or she has a legitimate claim to victimization, as it has been presented here. If he or she has been victimized, I'm by all means open to hearing about it.

You've referenced my skin color and gender as reasons my opinion is unimportant, so it's not as if you have any moral high ground with which to stand against anything.

Quote:Nope.  And I'd agree with you about the garb.  I can see Tizheruk's point, but I've already confessed that I don't really care enough to act on it.

Not going to acknowledge that you completely strawmanned me with some Native American victimization denialism bullshit? Cool, cool.

Quote:The point is that a lack of direct harm, or even intent, neither makes one blameless nor reverses damage to a population if it's being done.

In most cases, it absolutely makes one blameless if you didn't harm a creature at all. I once bleached a deer skull I found so I could later burn patterns into it. No stretch would make me at fault for that animal's demise. As for reversing damage, no one claimed that it did. Dodos are fucking instinct. You'd have to be pretty crazy to believe not meaning to harm them will make them poof back into existence. There is no point to arguing that.

Quote:I'd be very surprised indeed if you owned any actual dodo feathers.

Don't think I wouldn't, though. If someone said, "Hey, I've got some dodo feathers." I wouldn't think, "Holy shit. You made them extinct!!" I would think, "Cool. They're extinct, so that's a pretty precious thing you have there. Can I see it?"

TLDR; cultural appropriation is not bad. Killing people is bad. Other forms of genocide (sterilization, impregnation with "better" races, etc.) are bad. Even what we're doing as far as not limiting our actions so reservations stay clean is bad. Buying a dreamcatcher is not a problem unless you want to make it a problem for the sake of being pissed at something. In fact, I'd say it's a good thing. It shares culture and the person selling it makes some money.
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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
and more to consider appropriating:


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RE: "Cultural Appropriation"
Quote:bennyboy Wrote:
That seems pretty obviously untrue, since you keep quoting Khemical about once a page.

I have never once initiated any discussion with him since joining this site and I ignore what he writes.
The only time I have ever replied to him is when he quotes me or tries to label me with his false accusations of bigotry or racism for the crime of disagreeing with him. Then I have to look see what he's up to. Other than that, he initiates every single confrontation.
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