The First Century Void

[Minimalist]

1Clem 42:1
The Apostles received the Gospel for us from the Lord Jesus
Christ; Jesus Christ was sent forth from God.
1Clem 42:2
So then Christ is from God, and the Apostles are from Christ. Both
therefore came of the will of God in the appointed order.

It became heretical when the church evolved to its silly trinity doctrine.

[RoadRunner79]

[Minimalist]

and even then, it's still quite difficult to make a case from silence.

No it isn't.  Not in this case because we haven't decided that we NEED the TF to be TRUE so you can pump some air into your deflated historical godboy.

I agree that there is no convincing you because you do not want to be convinced and if fucking jesus came down here, smacked you in the mouth, and said "it's not real, asshole" you still wouldn't buy it.  This is your problem.  Not ours.

No jesus freak writer before Eusebius ever heard of it.  Yet, when Eusebius announced it ( TA-DAH!  LOOKY HERE!!!) it was in all its glory not any watered down version which still would have solved Origen's problem better than what he was forced to do in the absence of the TF.  That's okay, RR.  You are very limited by your book.  Perhaps you should put it down and read something else?

[RoadRunner79]

[The Grand Nudger]

The whole tying people to stakes and burning them might have had something to do with the silence of the mythicist position, don't you think RR?  

However, you're completely wrong, as usual.  The mythicist position was being espoused before "jesus" was a twinkle in "pauls" eyes (as far back as 600bce).....right next door, in hindu tradition. The greeks undercut the magic man claim before it ever expressed itself in christianity, and the romans, alleged contemporaries - seem to have recognized it for a scam.

Strange how all of that changes as soon as they assume the power of a state...and strange how it stays that way until they -cede- power to nascent secular states. Probably just a coincidence.

[RoadRunner79]

The whole tying people to stakes and burning them might have had something to do with the silence of the mythicist position, don't you think RR?  

However, you're completely wrong, as usual.  The mythicist position was being espoused before "jesus" was a twinkle in "pauls" eyes (as far back as 600bce).....right next door, in hindu tradition.

I think you are talking about something different.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, I know, you've all thought that, throughout all time.  

"My myths aren't myths...those guys aren't talking about my religion being based on silly myths and the people who create and sell them"

They were. Here's an excerpt from a summary of a body of work in hindu philosphy, espousing a position that is much older than the christian faith.

There is no other world other than this;
There is no heaven and no hell;
The realm of Shiva and like regions,
are invented by stupid imposters.

I can't add anything to it, RR. They seemed to know what everyone else at the time knew - ignorant believing rabble excluded. They seemed to know what Carrier, for example, goes to great lengths to express, what we had to rediscover in the 18th century after that little christian crackdown on heretics that forms the backdrop of christian establishment and history finally ended; as the bickering factions of christ strangled each other to death - and in so doing lost the power to reliably punish people for resuming work on the mythicist position, lol.

Such, is the silence, of the mythicist position. That silence -only- existed during the time of the greatest control and greatest atrocities of the christian faith. The mythicist position had to be actively stamped out by the early church. They took to the task with zeal.

[Fake Messiah]

so he forged one into Josephus, cited it, and then no one noticed

wow! Big fucking deal. Just look at the gospels and acts they're contradicting each other and yet nobody noticed that. Sometimes they're parallel universes to one another. If Jesus was so real why don't you tell us some basic stuff like when he was born? Oh wait you can't because Matthew has him born during Herod the Great's reign, which is sometime before the year 4 BCE, but Luke's nativity story has to take place sometime after the Roman annexation of Judea in 6 CE. Or when he died? Or where he was born? Some say Bethlehem some say Nazareth. Or when he was crucified? Or from what place did he ascend to heaven and so on. But wait you can't because Jesus' life is a fairy tale.

That's how Christians work: they just pick and choose what they like and pretend what they don't like that it doesn't exist. It's also called delusion.

[Succubus]

[Cyberman]

Keep in mind that Josephus remained an orthodox Jew throughout his life. It'd be like if a couple of centuries from now, one of Hovind's descendants - horrible thought, I know - were to 'find' a draft of God Is Not Great with a passage about how amazing Jesus is.