William Lane Craig is a narcissistic sociopath.

[Foxaèr]

To those whom it may concern, my user name is Neo-Scholastic. I no longer reveal my real name after some AF members threatened  me with violence both in and outside the forums. I would appreciate it if other AF members would respect my privacy and refrain from refering to my real name in future posts.

Okay, Michael. As you wish.

[Jehanne]

That's just turnabout for calling WLC a narcissistic sociopath. You may be right that both could be true in different respects, it's just that I've heard too many gratuitous "just-so" stories based on evolutionary theory.

Actually, I have this problem with evolution, as well.

Very much of it represents a narrative.  For example, where did eyes come from?  The narrative is that photosensitivity leads to this or that (totally hypothetical) advantage in early micro-organism, and then this and that development was suited to this or that environment.


It's all plausible, and I very much believe in evolution.  However, when the ability to establish a plausible narrative is taken in lieu of actual evidence showing how and why eyes evolved, or experimental results in a lab, then we have to be VERY careful to keep that differentiation clear, right from the beginning.  That's not always done sufficiently, in my opinion.

Another example is the evolution of mind.  The evolutionary narrative is that as creatures grew more complex, there was an evolutionary advantage to their being able to experience their environment-- so mind, of course, is a result of natural evolutionary processes.  What they don't explain, even a little bit, is what about the Universe allows for the existence of mind, or how it is that this or that system becomes capable of sustaining it.  When a p-zombie is functionally equivalent to a subjective agent, then you need more than a nice story to explain the existence of subjective agency.

As for Craig-- I've seen him establish the philosophical basis of the God idea, and THEN when not challenged at that stage, go on to explain why the Biblical Christian God is the most likely candidate.  That's quite the bait and switch.  But up to that point, I think he makes the right kind of arguments, and quite well.

You need to watch the award-winning documentary by NOVA called "Judgment Day":

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/i...trial.html

During the trial, Dr. Michael Behe, an "expert" witness for the defense, was asked about the evolution of the human immune system, claiming that there was no scientific evidence for that.  Plaintiff counsel then asked Dr. Behe, who was under oath, if he had read "such and such" peer-reviewed scientific paper on the evolution of the human immune system, to which Behe replied, "No".  The attorney began piling paper after paper on the witness stand next to Behe, and along the way, introduced a medical textbook or two which had a chapter devoted to the subject, asking Behe, for each one, if he had read it.  Finally, the pile started growing to the point that it was about to tip over, and so, the questioning had to stop!

[Amarok]

To those whom it may concern, my user name is Neo-Scholastic. I no longer reveal my real name after some AF members threatened  me with violence both in and outside the forums. I would appreciate it if other AF members would respect my privacy and refrain from refering to my real name in future posts.

Now that I know it no .

[Jesster]

To those whom it may concern, my user name is Neo-Scholastic. I no longer reveal my real name after some AF members threatened  me with violence both in and outside the forums. I would appreciate it if other AF members would respect my privacy and refrain from refering to my real name in future posts.

Now that I know it no .

That was a pretty reasonable request from him. Even if I don't like him, he still doesn't deserve the harassment that this would be enabling. It's best to leave this one be.

[Amarok]

Now that I know it no .

That was a pretty reasonable request from him. Even if I don't like him, he still doesn't deserve the harassment that this would be enabling. It's best to leave this one be.

I was kidding . Just trying to get a raise out of him .  Plus why would I use his name when we have so many others for him.

[Jesster]

I love a good joke, but I don't find humor in it when someone is trying to avoid being bullied. Maybe you'll need to explain the joke a bit more for me to get it, but explaining too much tends to take the fun out of the joke as well.

[Amarok]

I love a good joke, but I don't find humor in it when someone is trying to avoid being bullied. Maybe you'll need to explain the joke a bit more for me to get it, but explaining too much tends to take the fun out of the joke as well.

Because me saying I use it would likely cause him to go into some juvenile rant  about atheists and how evil we are and how persecuted he thinks he is   . And I always find those hilarious . Of course I would never do it . But his delusions of the evil atheists and his own sense of martyrdom likely would have caused the above .

[Jesster]

But instead it just made you look like an ass in this case.

[Amarok]

But instead it just made you look like an ass in this case.

Not really but your free to your opinion

[Jesster]

Okay, dodge away all you want. All you've done here today is score some sympathy points for NS, who usually isn't able to earn any from me.