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How Many Bosons Would it Take to Create a False Vacuum?
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RE: How Many Bosons Would it Take to Create a False Vacuum?
(June 17, 2017 at 10:17 pm)Fireball Wrote:
(June 17, 2017 at 8:42 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Damn.



I thought it said "Bosums."

Pro tip- Bosoms are a lot bigger than Bosons. Tongue

So you say.  But I never get to see either one, so I'm gonna have to take your word for it.
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#12
RE: How Many Bosons Would it Take to Create a False Vacuum?
(June 18, 2017 at 12:15 am)Alex K Wrote: Huh. I can quantify it as how big the bubble of the new vacuum has to be in order to grow, I'm not sure whether that can be quantified by a # of bosons.
Then could one boson create a bubble large enough to have such an effect?
Also, what is the barrier that separates the false vacuum from the true vacuum made of?
Also, is there another name for boson that I can use to keep these guys from tripping?
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#13
RE: How Many Bosons Would it Take to Create a False Vacuum?
How many bosons would it take to...

Oh, I know this one:

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RE: How Many Bosons Would it Take to Create a False Vacuum?
(June 18, 2017 at 1:18 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:
(June 18, 2017 at 12:15 am)Alex K Wrote: Huh. I can quantify it as how big the bubble of the new vacuum has to be in order to grow, I'm not sure whether that can be quantified by a # of bosons.
Then could one boson create a bubble large enough to have such an effect?
Also, what is the barrier that separates the false vacuum from the true vacuum made of?
Also, is there another name for boson that I can use to keep these guys from tripping?
Probaby not, or else our universe would collapse all the time.

The barrier would be made of higgs field energy, mostly. You could interpret that as a gathering of uncountable bosons if you stretch it, but I don't find it very convincing. Could you make the fields such as the higgs field an entity like the force in Star Wars from which your protagonists somehow spring and which they are always connected to?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: How Many Bosons Would it Take to Create a False Vacuum?
(June 18, 2017 at 2:39 pm)Alex K Wrote:
(June 18, 2017 at 1:18 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Then could one boson create a bubble large enough to have such an effect?  
Also, what is the barrier that separates the false vacuum from the true vacuum made of?
Also, is there another name for boson that I can use to keep these guys from tripping?
Probaby not, or else our universe would collapse all the time.

The barrier would be made of higgs field energy, mostly. You could interpret that as a gathering of uncountable bosons if you stretch it, but I don't find it very convincing. Could you make the fields such as the higgs field an entity like the force in Star Wars from which your protagonists somehow spring and which they are always connected to?

Thanks Alex. what I'm trying to do right now is I have a Higgs boson named Higgy. He's going to crate a false vacuum as a distraction. The protag isn't inside the bubble (although that might be an interesting plot twist at some point). I guess I could just say it's energy. Could this energy be created by other types of bosons, say photons or gluons? I like to have characters doing things so the story will be cinematic.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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RE: How Many Bosons Would it Take to Create a False Vacuum?
(June 18, 2017 at 3:19 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:
(June 18, 2017 at 2:39 pm)Alex K Wrote: Probaby not, or else our universe would collapse all the time.

The barrier would be made of higgs field energy, mostly. You could interpret that as a gathering of uncountable bosons if you stretch it, but I don't find it very convincing. Could you make the fields such as the higgs field an entity like the force in Star Wars from which your protagonists somehow spring and which they are always connected to?

Thanks Alex. what I'm trying to do right now is I have a Higgs boson named Higgy. He's going to crate a false vacuum as a distraction. The protag isn't inside the bubble (although that might be an interesting plot twist at some point). I guess I could just say it's energy. Could this energy be created by other types of bosons, say photons or gluons? I like to have characters doing things so the story will be cinematic.

Creating a true vacuum bubble should be a big deal and not something every Higgs boson can just do on a whim - it's basically destroying the entire universe. So there should be more to it, e.g. having the help of some ultraenergetic cosmic ray particles who with their immense energy can unleash these powers if you bring them into collision. Higgy could then use his connection to the higgs field to channel this energy into the higgs field where it nucleates a bubble of the true vacuum.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#17
RE: How Many Bosons Would it Take to Create a False Vacuum?
(June 18, 2017 at 4:00 pm)Alex K Wrote: Creating a true vacuum bubble should be a big deal and not something every Higgs boson can just do on a whim - it's basically destroying the entire universe. So there should be more to it, e.g. having the help of some ultraenergetic cosmic ray particles who with their immense energy can unleash these powers if you bring them into collision. Higgy could then use his connection to the higgs field to channel this energy into the higgs field where it nucleates a bubble of the true vacuum.

Yipes! I'm not ready to go there yet. I thought a false vacuum is just a warning sign before vacuum decay. I want Higgy to create a distraction that could imply the coming destruction of the universe without actually doing it.

BTW, can I send you a copy of Queen in care of the university where you work? They could deliver it to your office.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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RE: How Many Bosons Would it Take to Create a False Vacuum?
(June 18, 2017 at 5:12 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:
(June 18, 2017 at 4:00 pm)Alex K Wrote: Creating a true vacuum bubble should be a big deal and not something every Higgs boson can just do on a whim - it's basically destroying the entire universe. So there should be more to it, e.g. having the help of some ultraenergetic cosmic ray particles who with their immense energy can unleash these powers if you bring them into collision. Higgy could then use his connection to the higgs field to channel this energy into the higgs field where it nucleates a bubble of the true vacuum.

Yipes! I'm not ready to go there yet. I thought a false vacuum is just a warning sign before vacuum decay.  I want Higgy to create a distraction that could imply the coming destruction of the universe without actually doing it.

BTW, can I send you a copy of Queen in care of the university where you work? They could deliver it to your office.

Oh please don't leave me here, Alex.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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RE: How Many Bosons Would it Take to Create a False Vacuum?
Oh! Well, making it so that we are in a false vacuum (thus creating the threat of vacuum decay) requires changing the very laws of nature themselves profoundly. I don't know how that would translate into your narrative. We being in a false vacuum to begin with, and Higgsy scheming to initiate the vacuum decay sounds more like something that could be made into a plot. Unless your universe has a way to change the laws of nature
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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RE: How Many Bosons Would it Take to Create a False Vacuum?
(June 19, 2017 at 9:38 am)Alex K Wrote: Oh! Well, making it so that we are in a false vacuum (thus creating the threat of vacuum decay) requires changing the very laws of nature themselves profoundly. I don't know how that would translate into your narrative. We being in a false vacuum to begin with, and Higgsy scheming to initiate the vacuum decay sounds more like something that could be made into a plot. Unless your universe has a way to change the laws of nature
Yes, that will work. My mind is already visualizing this.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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