A secular arguement for the alteration of existing abortion law

[DogmaticDownSouth]

Again I didn't read your whole post. (How do you find the energy to make these long winded posts?)

But I am entirely certain I did not say "your asking the wrong question" o_O

I've said this a few times, though it might be in different threads, I think abortion is morally permissible at any stage in pregnancy.

Your post, Page 2 - BOLD mine

[b]Losty[/b]
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RE: A secular arguement for the alteration of existing abortion law
Yesterday, 05:06  
Oh great. An abortion thread. Lol

My apologies, your op was tldr for me. I did read some of though.

It seems like you're asking what I find to be morally permissible and I think that's the wrong question to ask.

I believe a woman should have the right to abort at any point in her pregnancy and I believe that whether or not it is morally permissible is entirely up to the individual women who are making the decision.

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Alright dipshit, it;s on.. If you want to make personal attacks let's go....
I said medical school becuase THAT'S WHERE I INTERACATED WITH THAT PATIENT are you that fucking dumb? do you NOT know how to become a cardiologist. For someone who claims to be graduate of the class of 1983 University of Nebraska Medical Center -> looked at their site and found the class, NO ONE with your name.. I would ASSUME you know you go to medical school FIRST, then you do residency (3 years  internal medicine) and THEN you do fellowship (3 years of general cardiology). If you don't then your a fucking liar about being in the medical profession.

What is yoiur so called field? As an ADULT CARDIOLOGIST I DON"t READ A FUCKING THING ABOUT NEONATOLOGY. I don't have any fucking overlap in my field. I have enough to keep up with general cardiology, echocariography, nuclear medicine, and congestive heart failure as well as arrythmia, primary prevention, and device therapy. I don't fucking care about advances in pediatric (except when they pertain to my kids) OB GYN, psychiatry, surgery, pathology, radiology, hell even medicine subspecilities unless the OVERLAP with what I am doing. I have enouugh to read and keep up with. PERIOD. IF you were practicing you would know that too, so I definately call bullshit.

I'm talking about abortion BECAUSE IT INTERESTS ME, I have a position and would like to know if that position is logically sound, AS I STATED ON THE ONSET. Who knows my motive better - you or me? Name on piece of evidence that I have stated that I am INSENSERE in my questions.

What do you mean WRONG WORD? CARDIOLOGIST IS THE MY TITLE DUMBASS, Even a basic layman knows that you are so fukcing stupid I think you make shit up just to sound dumb, because I find it hard to believe someone with > 3 neurons could be so dumb.

Brain death is a medical term, I rely on my neurology collegues to tell me they feel that they are brain dead and if so THEN when I talk to the family I will tell them that further care is futile, and ONLY IN THAT SITUATION do I use ABSOLUTE terms, I was VERY clear about that. I never stated I made the diagnosis of brain death, only after the diagnosis has been made. I never said the family was in the room while performing resucitiont. I SPEAK WITH FAMILIES ALL THE FUCKING TIME. I talk about CODE status when the patient ISN'T FUCKING CODING DUMB ASS. If a patient presents late after a prolonged VF arrest and how has a pulse but no neurological function, I ask my neurologiy collegues to se them and if they determine that the patient no longer has evenal stem functions then I talk witht he family and state that revascularization is futile. If they are 90 years old and have an EF<10% and come in in HF, then I talk with the family about considering DNR because IF they arrest then the chance of meaningful recovery is very low based on previous experience, I DON'T JUST FUCKING WITHOLD CARE. ANY ONE WITH EVEN 1 DAY of CLINICAL EXPERIENCE WOULD KNIW THESE THINGS THERE I CALL BULLSHIT ON YOU you postering bogus, piece of smelly anal drippings.
I don't share my personal credentials because my credentials DONT MATTER TO MY MORAL ARGUMENT> MY arguemtent stands or falls wehter I'm a cardiologist, neonatologist, pulmonologist, janitor, drug dealer, line cook, or politician.

You don't seem to know the definition of a CONVERSATION. As I STATED on the onset, I'm here to DISCUSS, not Dictate, so why do you keep going back to go to the court and force your opinoin.

Not a single one of your attacks has been AT THE ARGUMENT I HAVE PROPOSED. I can only suppose you are either TOO stupid to understand it or unable to critique it. May be you are a surgeon then.

There is no sharp limit of development, age, or weight at which a human fetus automatically becomes viable.[1] According to studies between 2003 and 2005, 20 to 35 percent of babies born at 23 weeks of gestation survive, while 50 to 70 percent of babies born at 24 to 25 weeks, and more than 90 percent born at 26 to 27 weeks, survive.[4] It is rare for a baby weighing less than 500 g (17.6 ounces) to survive.[1] A baby's chances for survival increases 3-4% per day between 23 and 24 weeks of gestation and about 2-3% per day between 24 and 26 weeks of gestation.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability

You have an N>0 percentage chance for surivival. PERIOD dumbass

I will agree that I am amoral on the question of finances and suitability for parenting.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/amoral:::  not involving questions of right or wrong; without moral quality; neither moral nor immoral.

Our society has dictated that we al lhave a right to procreate, even though I agree some do a better job then others. I have not proposed a metric to test if a person is fit to be a parent, so why are you arguing that I have. I have not proposed a metric to state a person needs a certain income to be a parent, why are proposing that I have?

Can you address on STEP of the argument that I proposed? I have yet to hear anything other than you don't like the conclusion, address the argument dumbass.

I may have posted here before, don't remember, if I did ti was a while ago. I have more important things in my life ,but occasisinally when I have some down time I do like to engage in these discussions to help with my own growth. I've posted on a few forums in the past, this may or may not be one, honestly don'r remember. I NEVER CLAIMED I HADN'T THOUGH. is there are rule against posting here?
You lack intellectual honestly and much of your statements make me believe that you lack honesty in general.

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I do!

*Puts hand up*

Me!  Choose me!!

Though, technically, I'm a cardio-thoracic surgeon with a minor specialty in emergency medicine.

Do you mean subspecility dumb ass - EM is EITHER a 3-4 year residency or previously was grandfarthered in from FM or rarely IM.
CT S requires general surgery followed by a CVS subspeciality. So don't know what you are talking about dumbass

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Again I didn't read your whole post. (How do you find the energy to make these long winded posts?)

But I am entirely certain I did not say "your asking the wrong question" o_O

I've said this a few times, though it might be in different threads, I think abortion is morally permissible at any stage in pregnancy.

Your post, Page 2 - BOLD mine

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#15
RE: A secular arguement for the alteration of existing abortion law
Yesterday, 05:06  
Oh great. An abortion thread. Lol

My apologies, your op was tldr for me. I did read some of though.

It seems like you're asking what I find to be morally permissible and I think that's the wrong question to ask.

I believe a woman should have the right to abort at any point in her pregnancy and I believe that whether or not it is morally permissible is entirely up to the individual women who are making the decision.

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I do!

*Puts hand up*

Me!  Choose me!!

Though, technically, I'm a cardio-thoracic surgeon with a minor specialty in emergency medicine.

Do you mean subspecility dumb ass - EM is EITHER a 3-4 year residency or previously was grandfarthered in from FM or rarely IM.
CT S requires general surgery followed by a CVS subspeciality. So don't know what you are talking about dumbass, but i chose you

Refute my ARGUMENT, not the conclusion (again if the argument is sound then attacking the conclusion is post-hoc)

[The Valkyrie]

What the fuck have you been smoking, junior?

You can't even get quotes right?

[Losty]

"Do you mean subspecility dumb ass - EM is EITHER a 3-4 year residency or previously was grandfarthered in from FM or rarely IM.
CT S requires general surgery followed by a CVS subspeciality. So don't know what you are talking about dumbass"

See, it's not your stance on abortion that puts people off. It's that you're a pretentious douchebag. How can you call someone else dumbass in the same post where you say "grandfarthered" lol

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Anyway, my point was that I would never say "your asking the wrong question" and you proved that I indeed did not say that. Thanks.

[DogmaticDownSouth]

What the fuck have you been smoking, junior?

You can't even get quotes right?

I replied to your quote
Not sure how I got it wrong, that's what I wrote

EM (emergency medicine) can be either 3 or 4 years (both are offered)

CT S = cardiothorasic surgery, required a general surgery residency Followed by a CVS (cardiovascular surgery) fellowship

a CTS would know that huh? dumbass

[Jesster]

So you've just decided to be an asshat now, huh? Why would you expect anyone to bother with your topic at this point?

[Losty]

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[GUBU]

@ Tazzycorn – You either ignored or didn’t read my post where I specifically posted I AM NOT HERE TO DICTATE MY VIEWS BUT TO PROPOSE A MORAL ARGUMENT that may CONVINCE you.

Yes, I do have an awful habit of ignoring bullsht.

Oh and trying to pesuade people that abortions should be illegal is forcing yor views on others. There are cases where this is mermissible, abortion isn't one.

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Mariosep. Poster is mariosep.

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Alright dipshit, it;s on.. If you want to make personal attacks let's go....
I said medical school becuase THAT'S WHERE I INTERACATED WITH THAT PATIENT are you that fucking dumb? do you NOT know how to become a cardiologist. For someone who claims to be graduate of the class of 1983 University of Nebraska Medical Center -> looked at their site and found the class, NO ONE with your name.. I would ASSUME you know you go to medical school FIRST, then you do residency (3 years  internal medicine) and THEN you do fellowship (3 years of general cardiology). If you don't then your a fucking liar about being in the medical profession.

What is yoiur so called field? As an ADULT CARDIOLOGIST I DON"t READ A FUCKING THING ABOUT NEONATOLOGY. I don't have any fucking overlap in my field. I have enough to keep up with general cardiology, echocariography, nuclear medicine, and congestive heart failure as well as arrythmia, primary prevention, and device therapy. I don't fucking care about advances in pediatric (except when they pertain to my kids) OB GYN, psychiatry, surgery, pathology, radiology, hell even medicine subspecilities unless the OVERLAP with what I am doing. I have enouugh to read and keep up with. PERIOD. IF you were practicing you would know that too, so I definately call bullshit.

I'm talking about abortion BECAUSE IT INTERESTS ME, I have a position and would like to know if that position is logically sound, AS I STATED ON THE ONSET. Who knows my motive better - you or me? Name on piece of evidence that I have stated that I am INSENSERE in my questions.

What do you mean WRONG WORD? CARDIOLOGIST IS THE MY TITLE DUMBASS, Even a basic layman knows that you are so fukcing stupid I think you make shit up just to sound dumb, because I find it hard to believe someone with > 3 neurons could be so dumb.

Brain death is a medical term, I rely on my neurology collegues to tell me they feel that they are brain dead and if so THEN when I talk to the family I will tell them that further care is futile, and ONLY IN THAT SITUATION do I use ABSOLUTE terms, I was VERY clear about that. I never stated I made the diagnosis of brain death, only after the diagnosis has been made. I never said the family was in the room while performing resucitiont. I SPEAK WITH FAMILIES ALL THE FUCKING TIME. I talk about CODE status when the patient ISN'T FUCKING CODING DUMB ASS. If a patient presents late after a prolonged VF arrest and how has a pulse but no neurological function, I ask my neurologiy collegues to se them and if they determine that the patient no longer has evenal stem functions then I talk witht he family and state that revascularization is futile. If they are 90 years old and have an EF<10% and come in in HF, then I talk with the family about considering DNR because IF they arrest then the chance of meaningful recovery is very low based on previous experience, I DON'T JUST FUCKING WITHOLD CARE. ANY ONE WITH EVEN 1 DAY of CLINICAL EXPERIENCE WOULD KNIW THESE THINGS THERE I CALL BULLSHIT ON YOU you postering bogus, piece of smelly anal drippings.
I don't share my personal credentials because my credentials DONT MATTER TO MY MORAL ARGUMENT> MY arguemtent stands or falls wehter I'm a cardiologist, neonatologist, pulmonologist, janitor, drug dealer, line cook, or politician.

You don't seem to know the definition of a CONVERSATION. As I STATED on the onset, I'm here to DISCUSS, not Dictate, so why do you keep going back to go to the court and force your opinoin.

Not a single one of your attacks has been AT THE ARGUMENT I HAVE PROPOSED. I can only suppose you are either TOO stupid to understand it or unable to critique it. May be you are a surgeon then.

There is no sharp limit of development, age, or weight at which a human fetus automatically becomes viable.[1] According to studies between 2003 and 2005, 20 to 35 percent of babies born at 23 weeks of gestation survive, while 50 to 70 percent of babies born at 24 to 25 weeks, and more than 90 percent born at 26 to 27 weeks, survive.[4] It is rare for a baby weighing less than 500 g (17.6 ounces) to survive.[1] A baby's chances for survival increases 3-4% per day between 23 and 24 weeks of gestation and about 2-3% per day between 24 and 26 weeks of gestation.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability

You have an N>0 percentage chance for surivival. PERIOD dumbass

I will agree that I am amoral on the question of finances and suitability for parenting.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/amoral:::  not involving questions of right or wrong; without moral quality; neither moral nor immoral.

Our society has dictated that we al lhave a right to procreate, even though I agree some do a better job then others. I have not proposed a metric to test if a person is fit to be a parent, so why are you arguing that I have. I have not proposed a metric to state a person needs a certain income to be a parent, why are proposing that I have?

Can you address on STEP of the argument that I proposed? I have yet to hear anything other than you don't like the conclusion, address the argument dumbass.

I may have posted here before, don't remember, if I did ti was a while ago. I have more important things in my life ,but occasisinally when I have some down time I do like to engage in these discussions to help with my own growth. I've posted on a few forums in the past, this may or may not be one, honestly don'r remember. I NEVER CLAIMED I HADN'T THOUGH. is there are rule against posting here?
You lack intellectual honestly and much of your statements make me believe that you lack honesty in general.

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My my, how professional of you. And you still can't get the medical terms right.

Thanks for the admission.

[Brian37]

No argument to be made. Not your body, you have no say. Mind your own business.

[Jesster]

Mariosep. Poster is mariosep.

That's funny. I was suspecting the same thing.