My question to pro-choice supporters

[The Grand Nudger]

Sometimes the equal application of law and culpability is shitty.  Look on the bright side, your mother could have aborted you.  

I know our conversations have had their ups and downs, but, with as little offense as possible, FUCK YOU. Not a day goes by I don't wish she had. But after all that suffering, I'll be damned if it was all for nothing. Life is not a gift and I'm not one bit grateful for it. It's my sense of justice keeping me from letting those who spent my entire childhood trying to destroy me win. Things aren't a whole lot better now than back then except that I'm dependent only on myself for sustenance. But nothing's worse than being told that god is a father, or is the father I should want or need. Telling them that he's 32 years late on child support is getting old.

I understand.  However, if a mother can opt out unilaterally but a father can't, that's inequality plain and simple.  I'm sorry you had a shitty dad who wasn't a dad and that left you impoverished.  Take it up with your mother, or the state that failed to help her?  Your angsty feelers mean very little compared to the interest of literally every guy everywhere who didn't want and couldn't afford a kid but couldn't convince his super jesusy girlfriend to have an abortion - as an example.

[Minimalist]

He should have thought of that before he knocked her up.

[The Grand Nudger]

-and she should have thought of that before she spread her legs.

It doesn't work either way, or it works both ways. Children aren't a righteous punishment for having filthy sex. If a female, in this country, has a reasonable expectation that a rawdog one night stand won;t end with a lifetime of impoverishment or legal risk due to an unplanned pregnancy, so, too, should males.

[ignoramus]

Speaking of which, mum whispered to me in her later years that after having 2 girls, dad told her if the next one is a girl, I want you to have an abortion.

I am very grateful for my cahunas!

[Losty]

"My body, my choice."

Okay, it does makes sense. You don't want others telling you what to do with your body, that's fine, you know? A unilateral power over whether a baby lives or dies is with it's mother because it's her body and it's her choice, which is fine, but what happens when a woman gets pregnant and the man she had sex with does not want to keep it but she does? 

I mean, obviously, you can't force an abortion, so what do you do for the guy? So my position is that the guy should be able to opt out of parenthood in that situation, so like, no parental obligations whatsoever, it'd be like it isn't even his kid. 
Anyway, that's my position, I think that's fair to everyone involved but I was wondering what pro-choice supportive folks think about it. 

Are you supportive or not supportive of it, why?

Yes I fully support the idea that a man should be able to opt out of parenthood within whatever same time frame a woman is allowed to opt for an abortion.

[Aliza]

"My body, my choice."

Okay, it does makes sense. You don't want others telling you what to do with your body, that's fine, you know? A unilateral power over whether a baby lives or dies is with it's mother because it's her body and it's her choice, which is fine, but what happens when a woman gets pregnant and the man she had sex with does not want to keep it but she does? 

I mean, obviously, you can't force an abortion, so what do you do for the guy? So my position is that the guy should be able to opt out of parenthood in that situation, so like, no parental obligations whatsoever, it'd be like it isn't even his kid. 
Anyway, that's my position, I think that's fair to everyone involved but I was wondering what pro-choice supportive folks think about it. 

Are you supportive or not supportive of it, why?

Yes I fully support the idea that a man should be able to opt out of parenthood within whatever same time frame a woman is allowed to opt for an abortion.

What if he does that to 15 or 20 women? 100 women? If he has no culpability at all to be responsible for the children he creates, then what's to stop him from running around and fulfilling his biological desire to maximize his reproductive opportunities?

Women are biologically inclined to want to have babies (at least I am once a month when I ovulate), and the big thing that prevents me from having a dozen babies is the time and money I'm not willing to freely invest in them. Women are flooded with hormones to make them bond with the growing fetuses in their wombs, so once they find out they're pregnant, they're already under the influence of some powerful hormones biologically designed to sabotage what may have been their previous desire to remain childless. -Adding to that, women do not get unlimited abortions without impacting their future fertility and chance of successfully carrying a baby to term when they're ready to have one. We don't just get to make 100 babies and terminate them all and expect that our bodies will recover each and every time. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/articl...ncies.html

Men are affected by no such hormonal change and their biological drive to reproduce will no longer be tempered by a dose of reality by having to be responsible for the lives they create.


From the King and I:

A girl must be like a blossom
With honey for just one man.
A man must be like honey bee
And gather all he can.
To fly from blossom to blossom
A honey bee must be free,
But blossom must not ever fly
From bee to bee to bee.

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Hmmmm, after thought. Who pays for the kids of the women who don't happen to be higher powered CEO's who can afford nannies and house keepers? If the mother gets knocked up by 5 different guys, and none of them are paying for their children or helping her in anyway, it seems to me that the bill is getting footed by the tax payers, because right or wrong, we're not going to let the children suffer from the selfish idiocy of their parents.

[Minimalist]

we're not going to let the children suffer from the selfish idiocy of their parents.

We do that all the time.....



We have a whole political party devoted to that idea.

[Losty]

Yes I fully support the idea that a man should be able to opt out of parenthood within whatever same time frame a woman is allowed to opt for an abortion.

What if he does that to 15 or 20 women? 100 women? If he has no culpability at all to be responsible for the children he creates, then what's to stop him from running around and fulfilling his biological desire to maximize his reproductive opportunities?

Women are biologically inclined to want to have babies (at least I am once a month when I ovulate), and the big thing that prevents me from having a dozen babies is the time and money I'm not willing to freely invest in them. Women are flooded with hormones to make them bond with the growing fetuses in their wombs, so once they find out they're pregnant, they're already under the influence of some powerful hormones biologically designed to sabotage what may have been their previous desire to remain childless. -Adding to that, women do not get unlimited abortions without impacting their future fertility and chance of successfully carrying a baby to term when they're ready to have one. We don't just get to make 100 babies and terminate them all and expect that our bodies will recover each and every time. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/articl...ncies.html

Men are affected by no such hormonal change and their biological drive to reproduce will no longer be tempered by a dose of reality by having to be responsible for the lives they create.


From the King and I:

A girl must be like a blossom
With honey for just one man.
A man must be like honey bee
And gather all he can.
To fly from blossom to blossom
A honey bee must be free,
But blossom must not ever fly
From bee to bee to bee.

---

Hmmmm, after thought. Who pays for the kids of the women who don't happen to be higher powered CEO's who can afford nannies and house keepers? If the mother gets knocked up by 5 different guys, and none of them are paying for their children or helping her in anyway, it seems to me that the bill is getting footed by the tax payers, because right or wrong, we're not going to let the children suffer from the selfish idiocy of their parents.

What if he does? Each of those women will have plenty of options to choose for themselves. I really don't think anyone should be having kids they didn't specifically plan for, but that's just my opinion.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

The only problem here is that you've removed all accountability for the man. Now he can go and impregnate a bunch of women and leave them holding the bag. I think we should be putting our efforts into creating male birth control rather than giving them a convenient out when they screw up and knock some chick up. There are men (I've uh... "met" many of them personally), who would love to germinate the female population with as much seed as they could if they could just opt out of the whole payment and responsibility thing.

Lol I don't doubt that, people like that do exist but what else would you do if a woman wants to keep a baby but the guy don't?

[Mr.Obvious]

The only problem here is that you've removed all accountability for the man. Now he can go and impregnate a bunch of women and leave them holding the bag. I think we should be putting our efforts into creating male birth control rather than giving them a convenient out when they screw up and knock some chick up. There are men (I've uh... "met" many of them personally), who would love to germinate the female population with as much seed as they could if they could just opt out of the whole payment and responsibility thing.

Bolded

You mean like... a condom?