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Science proved God.
#21
RE: Science proved God.
(July 19, 2017 at 5:55 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I'm just an amateur when it comes to physics, but I'm inclined to say that it's a matter of time before it's proven.
I just see it moving towards that direction.


The string theory states that everything is made from the same unified entity (strings). The vibration of the string determines how the matter we see look and act. Christianity and Islam states explicitly that God said "let there be light" and in Islam "be; so it was". That to me rings a bell with the vibrations of strings; that would be a stunning point of relation to the verses from the bible and the Quran.

Let alone the "7 heavens" in the Quran; and how that might point also to a multiverse. Thus; science does point to God in my perspective.


Problem is, even if the multiverse is proven, that does not mean a god, let alone your specific god, exists.

Your attempts to try to 'ad hoc' passages in your ancient, ignorant holy book, to coincide with modern science, are ridiculous.

Here's a question for you, why aren't the vast majority of astrophysicists (you know, the people that actually know what they are talking about) converting to Islam? At latest tally, 72% of them are atheists (the percentage rises to 93% for elite scientists).

Your god is an "ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance".

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#22
RE: Science proved God.
Atlas, in fairness to you, you've practically admitted that every discovery will only confirm your bias!
That's a start though.

There can be no fail state, we get it. You wouldn't be properly indoctrinated if there was.
Whatever it takes man....seriously.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#23
RE: Science proved God.
(July 19, 2017 at 1:18 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(July 19, 2017 at 7:56 am)LastPoet Wrote: I think your faith is lacking Atlas. Why would you need us to believe in your god?

 I don't need anybody to do a thing; mostly I open my heart as a bombardment arena. In other words; I test my own beliefs against the fine counter-arguments that will sure be brought up.

ignoramus

Intelligent stuff. Didn't see the film, but saw some quotes that made me think like "hey; that's pretty smart".. Despite my allergy to law schools since  I watched few episodes of "Ally Mcbeal" when I was very young. I hated it.

My brain didn't turn to mush yet; I assure you ! I might have some damaged nerves because of M.S, but remember: that affects the functions of the body, like vision (optic nerves); but think of your body as an old PC that needs a turn off (rest) every now on then. cool down a little. Then you're -I mean I'm- good to go!
Until I want to rest up again ><. But it never affects the thinking. Believe me.

Nymphadora

It's not an act of desperation at all. Usually I spend lots of times watching youtube videos; if I like the topic then bam: here you go.
Believe me; I don't judge. I can be in anybody's shoes; literally. The worst enemy for you is pride; just have that and the next fall will hurt like it was off an airplane.

See the face of the teenage that goes into a fight thinking he'll kick ass; and he instead get beaten and kicked in front of his friends or crush. Not judging on the other hand is better: you just remain silent and just be thankful.

Ask yourself: why the hell am I writing this after all? aside from testing what I hear?

Fake Messiah

Jesus is another greek God according to what many Christians say; the mistake begins with associating human traits like birth to God; converting him into a "personal God". Once you step in that direction; God is nothing but a dress you can tailor to fit you; a picture you can draw in the glass of your Church.

It fits the political world better: imagine having a drug like that. You can wage wars in the name of that personal deity, bless kings and steel the money of the poor.

I don't think we've spoken. This will probably be the first and last time.

I dislike when someone claims they do not judge; that is a bald-faced lie and whenever someone says that, it's unbelievably irritating because it betrays both their disconnect from reality and astounding arrogance. It literally could not do more to indicate the opposite of what you're claiming than to just come right out and say it directly. So you've already given me good reason to just write you off from the start. You call pride an enemy and yet it seems to be constantly tickling whatever part of you controls your ability to achieve climax. Is there any ability to self-reflect left at all or has the poison coursing through your synapses completely purged that vital component of a healthy mind?

Want to be taken seriously, and not make others feel they're being disrespected and lied to when you engage them in conversation? It's going to take a LOT of work but if deep down you're a decent enough human being (I'll suspend judgment on that) you'll put in the effort. There are a lot of books out there that can help you get over that kind of hump.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#24
RE: Science proved God.
(July 19, 2017 at 5:55 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(July 19, 2017 at 5:09 pm)Alex K Wrote: Not proven though

I'm just an amateur when it comes to physics, but I'm inclined to say that it's a matter of time before it's proven.
I just see it moving towards that direction.

Shouldn't the name of the thread than be: 'sience will prove god'?

Not that proving multiverse theory would prove god's existence, though.

Also, we're not acquainted enough for me to understand the type of deity you believe in, but doesn't saying it obeys The laws of physics and can be described and known by sience put limits on what many portray as a limitless entity?
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#25
RE: Science proved God.
(July 19, 2017 at 3:01 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The existence of the multiverse has been proven? When is that going to hit the peer-reviewed journals?

He's using a Michio Kaku video as proof that god exists. Anyone who knows anything knows that outside his very narrow specialisation in physics Kaku is an idiot, and anything he says is to be treated with utmost scepticism.
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#26
RE: Science proved God.
KAAAKUUUI!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#27
RE: Science proved God.
(July 19, 2017 at 5:55 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(July 19, 2017 at 5:09 pm)Alex K Wrote: Not proven though

I'm just an amateur when it comes to physics, but I'm inclined to say that it's a matter of time before it's proven.
I just see it moving towards that direction.

Quote:Now, how did science prove God? I lost track between all the unrelated quotes and stuff what the actual argument was supposed to be.

The string theory states that everything is made from the same unified entity (strings). The vibration of the string determines how the matter we see look and act. Christianity and Islam states explicitly that God said "let there be light" and in Islam "be; so it was". That to me rings a bell with the vibrations of strings; that would be a stunning point of relation to the verses from the bible and the Quran.

Let alone the "7 heavens" in the Quran; and how that might point also to a multiverse. Thus; science does point to God in my perspective.

So, "point to god in my perspective" equals proof?

Pretty egotistic, not to mention not knowing what "proof" means.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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#28
RE: Science proved God.
AtlasS33 Wrote:
Mister Agenda Wrote:The existence of the multiverse has been proven? When is that going to hit the peer-reviewed journals?

The multiverse poses a very convincing solution to the expansion of the universe. If you add dark matter to the mix, and also the string theory; it's just not that hard to see why it is so pushed by so many physicists.

It's a hot debate concerning the idea.

That's what I thought. There's some slight evidence for it but it's far from established. I personally consider it more likely than not, but I need more to be completely convinced.

I suppose people worshipping quantum foam or super strings would be an improvement, as long as they don't think QF or SS care who you sleep with or how you vote.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#29
RE: Science proved God.
(July 19, 2017 at 7:26 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:



1-Who said God is outside time ? Some crazy believers5 like me; probably. But hey; science just proved the multi-verse.
2-In the Quran; the Jinn are mentioned. They are mysterious beings that we can't be seen by us; they also visited space and used to pick listening outposts -Literally mentioned in the Quran=.

Quote:Sura 72, Page 572, The Quran:
( 9 )   And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.

3-Aliens (do exist) in the popular scientific mind today. Laughing about it is so old fashioned, and ignorant. I personally think we even have some here on earth. We don't have to see anymore; multi-verse; anyone?
4-I believe in God. The universe is just too beautiful to be a product of a random event. Nirvana and Genesis are more like a unified thing that got split by Satan and wicked ignorant humans (like terrorists): God is in constant Nirvana, while we dwell in a Genesis scenario. The genesis is encapsulated inside the nirvana.
That is equal to saying that God is eternal; while we're not.

This is bullshit Atlass and you should know better having been on this page as long as you have. Michio Kaku has never, and would never argue quantum mechanics points to the Koran.

And you have been here long enough to know that Christians also try to get science to point to the bible too.

The Koran is not a science textbook, neither is the bible, or Hindu Bhagavad Gitas Vedas, or Jewish OT or any Buddhist writing. No holy book is a science textbook. Scientific method is not a religion, it is a neutral tool. It is not there to prop up any religion or point to any religion.
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#30
RE: Science proved God.
Atlas, pickup an old atlas from the 70's.
Check out all the countries that have disappeared and new countries made.

That atlas was accurate at the time of writing.
Why on earth would an ancient book be relevent in today's changing world?

Please don't tell me god wrote it! Please!
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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