So can god end his own existence?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, if the people who hired the boat builder not only specified a not-floating boat, but particularly ordered one that no sensible person would recognize as boat, then I'd say the work was done to spec.  This is the case with Aquinas.  He didn't set out to attempt anything radical or groundbreaking or new (other than the Aristotelean synthesis, which others had been monkeying with for a few decades anyway), but to construct arguments that would justify the Church's position on things like the soul, the nature of God, hellfire, heresy and so on.  He did this admirably well.  He 'built the boat', but certain people on the board want to castigate him for not ignoring his boat-brief and instead setting fire to the wharf.

Boru

[Brian37]

Well, if the people who hired the boat builder not only specified a not-floating boat, but particularly ordered one that no sensible person would recognize as boat, then I'd say the work was done to spec.  This is the case with Aquinas.  He didn't set out to attempt anything radical or groundbreaking or new (other than the Aristotelean synthesis, which others had been monkeying with for a few decades anyway), but to construct arguments that would justify the Church's position on things like the soul, the nature of God, hellfire, heresy and so on.  He did this admirably well.  He 'built the boat', but certain people on the board want to castigate him for ignoring his boat-brief and instead setting fire to the wharf.

Boru

Don't care. The fact that I still run into apologists today who use that moron to claim he knew about modern Quantum physics BACK THEN,  says to me Aquinas did write just enough ambiguous bullshit to make it possible for future apologists to attempt pulling that shit.

Again why the fuck are you so stuck on this one particular individual. I don't give a shit about what you claim he did, humans worldwide did lots of shit back then and even prior. Our species ability to make discoveries is not in our labels, it is in our evolution. 

He was an idiot. If you are going to argue someone argue Newton but even he at one point postulated alchemy. And even with Plato, Plato was DEAD WRONG on his idea of "essence". I am not treating Aquinas any differently than any other famous figure of antiquity.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, if the people who hired the boat builder not only specified a not-floating boat, but particularly ordered one that no sensible person would recognize as boat, then I'd say the work was done to spec.  This is the case with Aquinas.  He didn't set out to attempt anything radical or groundbreaking or new (other than the Aristotelean synthesis, which others had been monkeying with for a few decades anyway), but to construct arguments that would justify the Church's position on things like the soul, the nature of God, hellfire, heresy and so on.  He did this admirably well.  He 'built the boat', but certain people on the board want to castigate him for ignoring his boat-brief and instead setting fire to the wharf.

Boru

Don't care. The fact that I still run into apologists today who use that moron to claim he knew about modern Quantum physics BACK THEN,  says to me Aquinas did write just enough ambiguous bullshit to make it possible for future apologists to attempt pulling that shit.

Again why the fuck are you so stuck on this one particular individual. I don't give a shit about what you claim he did, humans worldwide did lots of shit back then and even prior. Our species ability to make discoveries is not in our labels, it is in our evolution. 

He was an idiot. If you are going to argue someone argue Newton but even he at one point postulated alchemy. And even with Plato, Plato was DEAD WRONG on his idea of "essence". I am not treating Aquinas any differently than any other famous figure of antiquity.

'Pardon him, Theodotus; he is a barbarian and thinks the custom of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.'  - Shaw, Caesar and Cleopatra

Boru

[Godscreated]

 Why would He want to, seems an irrelevant question to me?

GC

Doesn't matter if he wants to or not, we are asking if he can do it. Once again, it's a question of omnipotence. Is god omnipotent? If yes, then he can end his own existence. If he can't end his own existence, then he is not omnipotent.

 It really is sad to see people through their common sense out the window and act like little children on the play ground. You can't argue against the Bible and be respected till you grow up.

GC

[Kernel Sohcahtoa]

Doesn't matter if he wants to or not, we are asking if he can do it. Once again, it's a question of omnipotence. Is god omnipotent? If yes, then he can end his own existence. If he can't end his own existence, then he is not omnipotent.

 It really is sad to see people through their common sense out the window and act like little children on the play ground. You can't argue against the Bible and be respected till you grow up.

GC

This is meant with all due respect to you, as it is an honest inquiry in relation to how you perceive the world, sir. With that said, does your god have a maturity level? Does your god go up and down the spectrum of various maturity levels (childish to adult-like to sage-like etc)? When your god's practitioners go up and down the spectrum of maturity levels, are they simply following the example of your god?

[Amarok]

Doesn't matter if he wants to or not, we are asking if he can do it. Once again, it's a question of omnipotence. Is god omnipotent? If yes, then he can end his own existence. If he can't end his own existence, then he is not omnipotent.

 It really is sad to see people through their common sense out the window and act like little children on the play ground. You can't argue against the Bible and be respected till you grow up.

GC

You had common sense ?and who are you calling a child child .

[Godscreated]

 It really is sad to see people through their common sense out the window and act like little children on the play ground. You can't argue against the Bible and be respected till you grow up.

GC

This is meant with all due respect to you, as it is an honest inquiry in relation to how you perceive the world, sir. With that said, does your god have a maturity level? Does your god go up and down the spectrum of various maturity levels (childish to adult-like to sage-like etc)? When your god's practitioners go up and down the spectrum of maturity levels, are they simply following the example of your god?

 God is omniscient.

 GC

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 It really is sad to see people through their common sense out the window and act like little children on the play ground. You can't argue against the Bible and be respected till you grow up.

GC

You had common sense ?and who are you calling a child child .

 You must be one of those on the playground.

GC

[Amarok]

This is meant with all due respect to you, as it is an honest inquiry in relation to how you perceive the world, sir. With that said, does your god have a maturity level? Does your god go up and down the spectrum of various maturity levels (childish to adult-like to sage-like etc)? When your god's practitioners go up and down the spectrum of maturity levels, are they simply following the example of your god?

 God is omniscient.

 GC

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You had common sense ?and who are you calling a child child .

 You must be one of those on the playground.

GC

Nope i'm at work child. But your in the playpen and it's nap time.

[Kernel Sohcahtoa]

This is meant with all due respect to you, as it is an honest inquiry in relation to how you perceive the world, sir. With that said, does your god have a maturity level? Does your god go up and down the spectrum of various maturity levels (childish to adult-like to sage-like etc)? When your god's practitioners go up and down the spectrum of maturity levels, are they simply following the example of your god?

 God is omniscient.

 GC

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 Thank you for your reply.  Is it possible that your god's omniscience is the product of practical experience? Can omniscience be the result of evolution and growth? As per the op, can your god choose to devolve to a lesser state?

[Godscreated]

 God is omniscient.

 GC

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 Thank you for your reply.  Is it possible that your  god's omniscience is the product of practical experience? Can omniscience be the result of evolution and growth? As per the op, can your god choose to devolve to a lesser state?

 In a way He did, God the Son became a human and lived with all the temptations of man. God the Son laid down all His powers to become a man so He could live the perfect life and become the only perfect sacrifice for all of mankind. You're welcome.

 GC