No Trans In The Military Says Trump

[Amarok]

The service is, essentially, a factory for -producing- mental disorders in any case.  They take the term cluster to a whole new level. If we gave every joe with issues the boot wed run out of joes faster than you can say substance abuse.

Indeed between PTSD ,alcoholism and drug addiction....


As for Neo's presumptions  there just that

[Jesster]

I see no reason why being trans would stop anyone from being deployed with the same efficiency as any other troop. It's not debilitating in any way and wouldn't stop anyone from performing their duties just like everyone else.

Trump, however, was focusing on the health care aspect provided by the military, claiming that the military could not afford to provide health care benefits for transitioning transsexuals.

And that's complete bullshit for reasons already provided in this thread. The costs involved would be nearly nonexistent in the grand scheme of things, especially when you compare it to the healthcare already provided to troops.

[Shell B]

Response to shell:

Oh I know. I guess I'm kind of biased for military members since I'm married to one and surrounded by them, so there's a sense of trust there.

I was an Army wife for a decade. I have a different sort of bias.

[Catholic_Lady]

That's why you have to be very emotionally sound and have good mental health before joining. Especially for the most elite jobs.

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Response to shell:

Oh I know. I guess I'm kind of biased for military members since I'm married to one and surrounded by them, so there's a sense of trust there.

I was an Army wife for a decade. I have a different sort of bias.

Understandable. I heard the army can be a little more rough around the edges compared to the air force or navy.

[Shell B]

Trump, however, was focusing on the health care aspect provided by the military, claiming that the military could not afford to provide health care benefits for transitioning transsexuals.

And that's complete bullshit for reasons already provided in this thread. The costs involved would be nearly nonexistent in the grand scheme of things, especially when you compare it to the healthcare already provided to troops.

And could be completely avoided if we simply said you can't transition on the country's dime. Whether or not that's right is an entirely different discussion, but that the option exists completely annihilates the claim that it was about health care costs.

[Silver]

That's why you have to be very emotionally sound and have good mental health before joining. Especially for the most elite jobs.

Though I'm certain they do their best to beat insubordination out of most soldiers.

[Jesster]

And that's complete bullshit for reasons already provided in this thread. The costs involved would be nearly nonexistent in the grand scheme of things, especially when you compare it to the healthcare already provided to troops.

And could be completely avoided if we simply said you can't transition on the country's dime. Whether or not that's right is an entirely different discussion, but that the option exists completely annihilates the claim that it was about health care costs.

Yes and no. Hormone treatment wouldn't cause any problems. Beyond that though, sure.

[The Grand Nudger]

Can't hit em anymore, you have to find creative ways to make them hurt themselves.  Ultimately, it works even better - because the act of hurting oneself is a pronounced form of subordination.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Mat are we taking about transsexuals or transgender? there different

I don't know any more.

20+ years ago it used to be that transsexual described people who needed to transition and fully live their lives as the gender that they felt they were. Transvestites were cisgendered men and women who did drag and made themselves up to be a caricature of the opposite sex. Transgendered was an umbrella term for everyone in-between. Which was unfortunate because transsexuality was never about sexuality but gender identity and the term was coined by patriarchal psychiatrists who treated it all as a psychological impairment. They should have coined the term transgendered.

Now it seems transvestites no longer exist and everyone on anywhere on the spectrum is described as transgendered, including transsexuals. Which while makes sense in that it is a continuous spectrum and that the misnomer of being called transsexual is finally dying out, also ignores the fact that those traditionally termed transsexual have very different life experiences to those who merely have a tendency towards gender non-conformity. Trans-men and trans-women now seems to be short hand for FTM and MTF transsexuals.

[Shell B]

That's why you have to be very emotionally sound and have good mental health before joining. Especially for the most elite jobs.

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I was an Army wife for a decade. I have a different sort of bias.

Understandable. I heard the army can be a little more rough around the edges compared to the air force or navy.

Yeah, there's a general consensus that AF and Navy are pussies, with a few exceptions.

I've known a few great guys who served. Some of them I love. I also know racists, wife beaters, drunks and bullies who served right alongside them. Some of those guys make their way up the ranks. Some of those guys make big decisions about policy in the military. To trust them blindly is folly.