Do Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence?

[Amarok]

We have 4 gospels writing about the same people, places and events.

The gospels are copies of copies. None of them are independent sources. And there all unsourced outside the gospels . Nice Try maybe read some literature on this rather then repeating apologist derp.

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We have 4 gospels writing about the same people, places and events.

Liar.  You have 1 gospel, with two copycats and a re-write.  There is only one story.  What is now known as "mark."

And it's not even a consistent story as in primary issues it contradicts (unlike in secondary issues if it were simply a different account of eye witnesses  )

[Minimalist]

One of the more amusing points in Carrier's discussion is that the cosmic "jesus" precedes the earthly "jesus."  He is perfectly willing not to contest this paul shit because it suits his purpose although I disagree about it.  I'm sure like all mystery cults xtianity began with secret rites and it wasn't until much later that they saw the value of writing shit down and pretending it was real.

Nonetheless, Carrier gives me what I have always demanded ( and never received from jesus freaks.)  A discussion of ALL the evidence that the fuckers claim exists.

In terms of actual history there isn't much and most of that is worthless to establish that the fucker from nazareth ever lived.

[Amarok]

One of the more amusing points in Carrier's discussion is that the cosmic "jesus" precedes the earthly "jesus."  He is perfectly willing not to contest this paul shit because it suits his purpose although I disagree about it.  I'm sure like all mystery cults xtianity began with secret rites and it wasn't until much later that they saw the value of writing shit down and pretending it was real.

Nonetheless, Carrier gives me what I have always demanded ( and never received from jesus freaks.)  A discussion of ALL the evidence that the fuckers claim exists.

In terms of actual history there isn't much and most of that is worthless to establish that the fucker from nazareth ever lived.

Yup he does what apologists shit themselves at the thought of doing . EXAMING the evidence . Not just selecting what helps there apologetics .

[Neo-Scholastic]

Liar.  You have 1 gospel, with two copycats and a re-write.  There is only one story.  What is now known as "mark."

WOW! I had no idea anyone still believed that theory from, what, 40 years ago. You should read more contemporary sources.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Documents that purport to being factual accounts require some form of independent corroboration in order to verify their claims.

You mean like other documents? Then you're going to tell me those other documents are claims too that require more documents to support their claims and so on into infinity. That's why the meme is bullshit. We have 4 gospels writing about the same people, places and events. We have several letters discussing those people, places and events. We have historian writing about the central figure mentioned in the 4 gospels and the several letters. We have archaeological evidence for some of those people, like Pilate, and places, like the pool of Bethesda. etc. etc.

We have evidence for George Washington, but we have no evidence he ever said "I cannot tell a lie." We have his signature. Do you have the signature of Jesus Christ? That's right, you don't -- sit at the head of the class. Do you have his home? See, we have the home GW lived in -- it is a national monument populated with the furnishings he sat on. Do you have that for your little Jesus? That right, you don't. Here's a gold star for your book report. (What's that? You can't expect his home to survive 2000 years? Some omnipotence! Some God!)

We have thousands of people contemporaneously discussing Washington, painting him, voting for him. You've got four assholes 80 years after an alleged hanging writing fanfic about their favorite jerkoff meme. If you're too slow to figure out the difference, that says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about Jesus, Washington, or atheists. You can believe what you want, but you'd better bring much thicker work if you want to actually, you know, change minds.

Until then, seems like you're just very happy feeling good about your own beliefs, but not questioning them.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Why don't you guys just be honest and admit that you would never accept any miraculous event no matter how well sourced?

[Amarok]

Once again Neo trying to compare biblical studies to actual historical studies . A category it does not belong in and standards it does not follow

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Consideringing we have written documents from Washington ....

[Neo-Scholastic]

We have thousands of people contemporaneously discussing Washington, painting him, voting for him.

Those are all part of the claim not evidence.

[Amarok]

More proof I don't get how history works

[The Grand Nudger]

Why don't you guys just be honest and admit that you would never accept any miraculous event no matter how well sourced?

-is there any "miraculous event" that you won't accept, no matter how poorly sourced?

Honestly, you just seem frustrated. I get it, no one will believe you, and you're super sure that magic book is really true. My kids get pissy when I won;t believe in their imaginary friends too.