viewing stolen nude photos

[FFaith]

I'd say these celebs putting these pics up on the cloud can be seen as consent in a way, so no, I don't feel bad.

Consent. By putting pictures up in a password protected, encrypted online vault, you believe that is them giving you permission to take the files from them.

Or are you just a troll? Methinks you're just a garden troll.

I said in a way, but I know that's not technically consent, so I probably shouldn't have put it exactly like that, but what I meant is that it's like these people are begging to have their pictures leaked. They could choose to be a million times safer with it but decide not to think it through. It's like if you're a rich white guy who decides to take a walk through the hood showing off your nice watch. You're basically saying, please take my watch.

[pocaracas]

My question was more on the lines of, those men who do not give in to that "men are gonna do what they do" mentality should expect most women around them to assume that they are those who "do what men are gonna do".
What can we do? How can it be shown to these people that such assumption is grossly misplaced?

We can do it with our actions. I believe anyone who knows me for any amount of time would be pretty sure I'm not one of those guys. I don't announce it to them. To me, with the little insidious shit that women have to consider with most of their actions every day --- (if I raise my voice at my employees, will they just see me as a bitch?,  how do I tell my boss that I should make as much as this dude who demonstrably does less?, do these people see me as a spinster because I'm not married in my 30s?, etc etc etc) --- if I have to deal with some of the slack from typical asshole douches every day, I can handle that.

And if you're not provided with that amount of time?...

There will be little investment made... so not much lost on your part. You'll know what you are while they won't... they're the losers in that story. Still, it's a shame that we have to operate under that unfair assumption.

[SteelCurtain]

Consent. By putting pictures up in a password protected, encrypted online vault, you believe that is them giving you permission to take the files from them.

Or are you just a troll? Methinks you're just a garden troll.

I said in a way, but I know that's not technically consent, so I probably shouldn't have put it exactly like that, but what I meant is that it's like these people are begging to have their pictures leaked. They could choose to be a million times safer with it but decide not to think it through. It's like if you're a rich white guy who decides to take a walk through the hood showing off your nice watch. You're basically saying, please take my watch.

Except it's not like that at all. It's like putting your money in a bank and expecting the bank to keep your money safe. But one time when you go to the bank, someone dressed like a teller is behind the counter and instead of taking your debit card to perform a transaction, he steals your information without your knowledge and then has access to your account.

iCloud is not unsecure. It is reasonable to expect that your data is safe. Directed attacks on people are usually accomplished with credential stuffing and phishing, which is not breaching the security of iCloud, or a nerd sitting behind a computer looking for a back door. It is someone literally acquiring credentials from another website (Like the Linkedin breach) and using them to log in to your iCloud like they were you. Either that or tricking you into giving those credentials to them. No hacking involved.

[SteelCurtain]

And if you're not provided with that amount of time?...

There will be little investment made... so not much lost on your part. You'll know what you are while they won't... they're the losers in that story. Still, it's a shame that we have to operate under that unfair assumption.

It's hard for me to feel like it's unfair when the other side is that women have to feel like prey all the time.

[KevinM1]

I said in a way, but I know that's not technically consent, so I probably shouldn't have put it exactly like that, but what I meant is that it's like these people are begging to have their pictures leaked. They could choose to be a million times safer with it but decide not to think it through. It's like if you're a rich white guy who decides to take a walk through the hood showing off your nice watch. You're basically saying, please take my watch.

Except it's not like that at all. It's like putting your money in a bank and expecting the bank to keep your money safe. But one time when you go to the bank, someone dressed like a teller is behind the counter and instead of taking your debit card to perform a transaction, he steals your information and then has access to your account.

iCloud is not unsecure. It is reasonable to expect that your data is safe. Directed attacks on people are usually accomplished with credential stuffing and phishing, which is not breaching the security of iCloud, or a nerd sitting behind a computer looking for a back door. It is someone literally acquiring credentials from another website (Like the Linkedin breach) and using them to log in to your iCloud like they were you. Either that or tricking you into giving them to you. No hacking involved.

Yup, one of the biggest cybersecurity issues isn't configuration or encryption (although those can ruin your day if they're implemented poorly), but rather identity.  Is the person attempting to access this data who they say they are?  Is the site I'm actually visiting the real one, or some phishing endpoint?

[*Deidre*]

I don't blame her for feeling violated. I mean, she's entitled to her feelings about the situation. But, I wouldn't be so naive to think that if I were to put nude pics on the internet, they might fall into hands I didn't intend.

[pocaracas]

And if you're not provided with that amount of time?...

There will be little investment made... so not much lost on your part. You'll know what you are while they won't... they're the losers in that story. Still, it's a shame that we have to operate under that unfair assumption.

It's hard for me to feel like it's unfair when the other side is that women have to feel like prey all the time.

It's a patriarchal society. We know that.
Some are driving it to change, but the majority is stuck on it.
Some are driving it too fast and causing a terrible backlash from the conservative corner.

It is known that a societal change must occur slowly....though I'm not against the occasional jolt.

And they don't have to feel like prey all the time. There are many "nice guys" out there... men that wouldn't prey on them and would endeavor to protect them from being preyed upon.
That they do feel like prey all the time is, in my view, the result of a form of terrorism. Maybe it's a terrorism that's been going on for generations and generations...

[brewer]

I'd say these celebs putting these pics up on the cloud can be seen as consent in a way, so no, I don't feel bad.

Consent. By putting pictures up in a password protected, encrypted online vault, you believe that is them giving you permission to take the files from them.

Or are you just a troll? Methinks you're just a garden troll.

What if they are doing it to further their career? Appearing naked at the beginning of a career is not unknown in the celeb circle (i.e. Sharon Stone, Jane Seymour). Then claiming "I've been hacked or photo shopped" gives plausible deniability. 

Let's see, my login in will be my name, pass word will be my agents name and the challenge will be my dogs name. You fuckers, I was hacked!

I never consider ulterior motives. Stop reading this.

[paulpablo]

But not sure how me not Googling her pic will reduce the damage at this point. She'll never know I didn't look. The harm was done when the pics were released on the internet. I empathize with how she must feel about strangers ogling her nude pics when she never intended that. It would be cold to contemplate that and then rush off to do some ogling myself.

But someone who likes to view nude celebrity pics of Anniston is going to find them, even if they're faked. Short of some sort of software to find and erase them, there's not much to be done about it. I'm not sure if it completes the journey from just creepy to plain wrong though.

Thought experiment: change Jennifer Aniston's pics to child porn. I know it's extreme, but the same argument gets made all the time by pedophiles. Is there a reason why the standard applies only in one situation? I think the comparison is fair.

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I think the comparison is flawed slightly in that child porn is by definition a child being raped or at least molested.  No one's complaining that the person viewing the child porn wasn't given consent by the child, it's that the action itself is seen as morally wrong.

Plus it expresses a much more serious character flaw of being interested in raping/molesting children, rather than expressing curiosity about what a famous adult person looks like fully naked rather than just wearing a see through top with tight yoga pants.

I mean the lack of consent involved in viewing child porn is an issue too, but it's like comparing a terrorist who runs over people in a truck while going 10mph over the speed limit to someone who is going over the speed limit on the motorway by 10mph.  
The issue of speeding is the least of anyone's concern in the case of the terrorist. In the case of the person speeding on the motorway it is wrong to a degree.

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My question was more on the lines of, those men who do not give in to that "men are gonna do what they do" mentality should expect most women around them to assume that they are those who "do what men are gonna do".
What can we do? How can it be shown to these people that such assumption is grossly misplaced?

We can do it with our actions. I believe anyone who knows me for any amount of time would be pretty sure I'm not one of those guys. I don't announce it to them. To me, with the little insidious shit that women have to consider with most of their actions every day --- (if I raise my voice at my employees, will they just see me as a bitch?,  how do I tell my boss that I should make as much as this dude who demonstrably does less?, do these people see me as a spinster because I'm not married in my 30s?, etc etc etc) --- if I have to deal with some of the slack from typical asshole douches every day, I can handle that.

If you're female and you raise your voice then you might get known as the bitch, if you're a man it's usually dickhead or twat.

[Silver]

I think the comparison is flawed slightly in that child porn is by definition a child being raped or at least molested.

According to the law and how it construes meaning to its own advantage, child porn is technically pictures of anyone under the age of eighteen on one's technical device. Clothed included.