Evidence to Convict?

[Ravenshire]

However I haven't even been really making an argument for testimony.

You, are a fucking liar.

Here, for all to see:

So I did post this in another thread, but I thought that many might have tuned out in that, and I'm interested in getting a view of peoples opinions. Besides I never did a poll before, and thought in might be fun, as well as provide an option for those who don't want to comment. I apologize in advance for those who like many options to a poll, but this is an excluded middle type of question (either A or Not A).


So a hypothetical question. A few of us, along with some strangers are sitting in a room (say 11 people in total) I'm trying to have a discussion with spmeone, and he just keeps calling me names, refuses to engage in anything, and just repeats back any accusation I make without even paying attention to the context. (you know the child's game of I know you are but what am I). I lose it, and hit him over the head with a chair, seriously injuring him (blind sided him of course). No one lets me leave, until the cops get there. Everyone gives slightly different accounts. Some seen the whole thing, some where distracted until the ruckus broke out. But everyone reports the same story, that I maliciously injured somebody. And their is no other evidence found, with which to specifically identify me as the culprit.

Is anyone seriously going to tell me, that they have no evidence with which to hold and convict me? That it's just one story against mine? If the nightly news didn't cover it, does that negate the others claims (after all what self respecting news reporter is going to air a story without evidence)? Do we need a scientist to duplicate the event in a lab in order to evidence the story? Do we need to find someone in the room that doesn't believe the claim, but corroborates it? Do their accounts need to include mundane details about who I am, like I fart on the bus and blame other people. Is the testimony of these 10 other people the claim or the evidence.

Now none of this is true, it's a hypothetical. Don't worry, I don't wish anyone ill will, and actually pray for your wellbeing. However the reasoning behind an answer doesn't rely on it being real (just like substituting a variable into an equation).

How would you honestly answer, This is only about this scenario, not considering anything else.

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Also note, I'm not here to discuss or persuade anyone. I'm interested in others opinions. Comments welcome...preferably about the topic

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You've done you're damnedest to deny the possibility of any physical evidence, trying to make this whole thread entirely about testimony. For fuck's sake the false dichotomy of the poll is about whether or not testimony is evidence.

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My guess is no one will.... but that won't prevent them from making it about me....avoiding discussion.

(emphasis is mine)

Pot, calling kettle...

[LadyForCamus]

As stated before, the purpose of this thread, wasn't to debate the issue, but to understand what others believe.
If some one want to discuss to debate the issue, then that is a different topic.  At first, I didn't want to turn this thread into a debate.  But even if it is winding down, I think it would be best to start fresh, and not in the middle.  If someone is so interested enough, then create a thread.

My guess is no one will.... but that won't prevent them from making it about me....avoiding discussion. (And if I don't happen to notice the creation of the other thread, put a link here)

No.  You want to discuss the topic up until the point where it becomes relevant to your personal beliefs, and then you want to draw a line in the sand.  Honest discourse doesn't work that way.  Sorry.

[RoadRunner79]

Yes... it was only about testimony as evidence. Perhaps I could have had option for not evidence, and simply not sufficient.

However I haven't (or have been attempting) to not turn this into an argument for or against it.
I'm not presenting reasons for why I think it should be evidence (although I may have slipped a little in answering people's questions).
If I was, I would be presenting facts and reasons.
Where is it you think I'm lying?

[LadyForCamus]

Then what the heck do you want to talk about?

It's too late anyway. You've just admitted you're trying to change people's ideologies. Whatever you mean by that.

[Ravenshire]

Where is it you think I'm lying?

At this point, with every word you type.

[Amarok]

As if lady has not made that clear already

[Ravenshire]

As stated before, the purpose of this thread, wasn't to debate the issue, but to understand what others believe.
If some one want to discuss to debate the issue, then that is a different topic.  At first, I didn't want to turn this thread into a debate.  But even if it is winding down, I think it would be best to start fresh, and not in the middle.  If someone is so interested enough, then create a thread.

My guess is no one will.... but that won't prevent them from making it about me....avoiding discussion. (And if I don't happen to notice the creation of the other thread, put a link here)

No.  You want to discuss the topic up until the point where it becomes relevant to your personal beliefs, and then you want to draw a line in the sand.  Honest discourse doesn't work that way.  Sorry.

He also doesn't want to admit that topics ebb and flow. Make a new thread, make a new thread, make a new thread! For fuck's sake why? When it's all at least tangentially relevant to the topic at hand, why?

Oh, yeah. To make it easier for RR to spin his bullshit and ignore any contrary evidence.

[RoadRunner79]

Then what the heck do you want to talk about?

It's too late anyway. You've just admitted you're trying to change people's ideologies.

No... you brought up if they changed their minds and agreeing "what then". In light of this, I said they may need time to think about this change and examine their ideologies. Which I later clarified as all ideas concerning testimony.

If someone did change their mind. I don't think that they changed their minds because of any reason or argument I made.
Im getting about done talking about all this speculation about me.....people aren't listening anyway.

[LadyForCamus]

I think you're a troll.

[RoadRunner79]

Likewise