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Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
#41
RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
Hm not sure I like the idea of that unless it was to fix a genetic/chromosomal abnormality. Like fragile x or down syndrome. But to change us as people and make us super human? Meh... i feel like it may open up a whole can of worms...
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#42
RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
Look, if things go wrong we can always bring back the carny side shows.
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#43
RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
As for editing genes that cause diseases like cancer and whatever else, ultimately I am for it because I am pro life. But I gotta be honest and say i would worry about eventually running into a big problem of human overpopulation. Dying out is, unfortunately, part of how the world works and keeps its balance. We keep looking for ways to stay alive longer, and that's good, but at the same time it is kinda messing with our planet's eco system.
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#44
RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
(August 6, 2017 at 7:49 am)Chad32 Wrote: All I can think of is, we have purebred dogs that are more likely to have health problems than mutts, because desirable traits cause problems down the road. So what makes us think it will work better with Humans than it does dogs?

Because we're only working with what genes are already there. Tinkering with genes in the way we're describing would enable us to introduce new ones or activate long-dormant other ones that would otherwise never happen via recombination through simple breeding. For instance, we might have some shark genes put in because they have some kind of crazy powerful immune systems, supposedly. Dogs can't get that from fucking.

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Considering that in this scenario, you yourself would be version 0.0, you might need to revise your line of questioning. But it would depend on just how different the genetic augmentations were between the first generation and the next. Maybe they'd still both be able to compete as far as jobs go on an even footing, if the newer augmentations weren't what affects intelligence more significantly than the older generation's. But there's no way one generation would be rendered completely 'useless' in a society where everyone's getting varying levels of enhancement. Only that very last generation of those born before the advent of it would be unable to compete, most likely, so, unlikely as it may be, it could be hoped that most people will have the Professor X mentality about it and not the Magneto mentality.
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#45
RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
Ok then. It seems weird, but I guess most new things seem a little weird until we get used to them.
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#46
RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
(August 6, 2017 at 10:00 am)Chad32 Wrote: Ok then. It seems weird, but I guess most new things seem a little weird until we get used to them.

Hell yeah, it's weird. And wait til all the cosmetic shit starts getting debated on, so it's not just stuff related to survivability, but how they look and all that. Probably become unrecognizable in two generations.
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#47
RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
There's so many implications it would be difficult to make an accurate prediction as to what would happen.

I imagine if the genetically altered humans are superior in everyway then eventually they will dominate the earth.

Someone else talked about dog breeds before and I think that's a good point.

We have a tendency to focus on some specific desirable trait and it has an unforseen side effect.  This happens a lot already in sports where people are changing their testosterone, taking pain killers or altering blood cells and so on.

Genetic alteration could result in some weird desirable trait being bred to be out of hand.  Like peacocks with big useless colourful feathers. 

I think the population growth might go crazy which could result in either a lot more murder/war.  It might result in underwater cities and space colonization.  

The idea isn't that scary to me though, I'm sure experiments like this are already being done on mice and I'll probably be dead by the time they get heavily underway with these experiments on humans.  

In my life time they might be deciding little things like eye colour or the sex of the baby, if they aren't already.  Or cutting out some illnesses of some sort.


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#48
RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
I like Eugenics as a principle even without the designer baby bit thrown it. Designer babies just make it that much easier.
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#49
RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
By making babies that fit what we WANT them to be, we are likely to decrease diversity, harming the species' genetic fitness. Whether we care more about the general principle of evolution than our baby growing to be a tall, blue-eyed, big-dicked genius or whatever is a matter of philosophical distinction.

I guess it will be like this-- everyone will want everyone ELSE'S babies to be normal, but will secretly attempt to gain genetic privilege for their own.
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#50
RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
I think it's great.

Finally humanity can achieve something that will take nature hundreds of years: the complete elimination of soulless gingers!
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