Why must we fight?

[Hollenfeuer]

God means a lot to a lot of people, the idea is a major comfort in a world of chaos and pain, however what if that comfort was wired out of your brain? Is this a negative thing or is it positive? I have thought this over a lot the past few years and came to the conclusion that it really matters on the individual. God and/or religion just works for some people whether they are intelligent or not. The only problem comes when you expect others to feel the same way you do on the subject. This happens on both sides of the scale, and is harmful with no benefits to anyone. You will not earn the respect and compassion you might otherwise get out of someone, who might just be the greatest person you will ever meet. It creates a wall in between cultures and individuals that should be taken apart and dissolved.

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

October 14, 1941 Adolf Hitler

In that one statement Hitler demonstrated my point, an evolutionist who hated religion so much he tried to eradicate an entire religion by means of genocide. In fact he was also a eugenicist who thought other races where inferior. So their is great evil on both sides of the line, the Catholics hiding pedophiles for example. We are the highest evolved animals on earth but this is what we spend so much time, money, and blood on. Why can we not put our minds toward a better solution? The pushing of philosophy and religion on another human is the greatest sin any one can ever commit. Yet it is given no thought or regard on how it might effect another sentient individual. We all cannot think alike and expect to expanded to our full potential, whether that be technology or a near Utopian society. We have our own mind, fear, pleasures, and hope.

I know many will find this offensive in someway, which is not the point. Just give it some thought, it might just make sense. Also try going door to door and try and get people to think exactly how you do. You will notice a lot of door to face situations. Have you ever had a Mormon come to your door? That's how other people feel most the time when you try to convert them. Its a bit rude and a lot a bit uncomfortable, the only time it does work is when they are predisposed to it. I feel predisposition has a lot to do with new converts in anything. So next time, think twice before you approach someone with you thoughts. Be respectful, explain how and why you feel the way you do, but don't get mad if they don't feel how you do, it's not an insult to you. We will all find out when we die whats out their, lets not go to war, personal or otherwise, over it.

[R-e-n-n-a-t]

Hitler was Catholic. Have you even read his book with the weird German name that I can't spell? Mein Kampf maybe? IDK. He hated Christianity only because it was a competitor with Catholicism. Well, and because churches historically compete with politicians for power. Stalin was the greatest example of atheism killing people, but there's a subtle difference; Hitler killed "inferiors". Stalin killed his opposition (the church). Therefore, Hitler killed because he was a psycho antisemetic Catholic, and Stalin killed because he wanted power and happened to conflict with organized religion (although he was an atheist to my knowledge).

Therefore, evolutionism=no evil (unless you count genetic animal tests)
And religion=very evil (Holocaust, Inquisition, fall of the Roman Empire leading to the Dark Ages)

Like it or not, by the way, Hitler was cunning, and many would argue that he was very intelligent. He could have been a great leader if he hadn't turned out to be a massive egotistical s***-***d. The point is that he was an evolutionist (if indeed he was, I don't remember hearing this) not because he was an evil atheist, but because that's what most intelligent people think, regardless of psychotic tendencies.

And lets not forget the people who kill their kids so that they get to go to Heaven! That's gonna' create issues regardless of religious peace.

[Edwardo Piet]

What Stalin did obviously has nothing to do with atheism. Bad can come through religion but not through atheism.

Obviously "evolutionism" can't be evil because social darwinism is not evolutionism in the sense of belief in evolution, they are obviously two completely different things.

[Rev. Rye]

Hitler was Catholic.

Well, there's definitely some room for debate there. Whatever his private beliefs were, he did claim to be a Catholic to get the ordinary Germans on his side.

Have you even read his book with the weird German name that I can't spell? Mein Kampf maybe? IDK.

You kidding? That's probably the most unreadable book I've ever read in my life. Even if you get past the genocidal hatred, he's just as crappy a writer as he was a human being.

He hated Christianity only because it was a competitor with Catholicism. Well, and because churches historically compete with politicians for power.

Um... He didn't actually kill for Catholicism, he killed for Nazism. That said, it's not like there's not a lot of examples of religions (especially Christianity) using their religion as a way to get the people to turn on the Jews.

Stalin was the greatest example of atheism killing people, but there's a subtle difference; Hitler killed "inferiors". Stalin killed his opposition (the church).

The fact is, both killed their opposition, only Hitler added the thing about them being "inferiors," something the clearly wouldn't work for communism, where everyone was (in theory) equal.

Therefore, evolutionism=no evil (unless you count genetic animal tests)
And religion=very evil (Holocaust, Inquisition, fall of the Roman Empire leading to the Dark Ages)

Well, the validity of the first sentence depends on the idea that "evolutionism" qualifies as a distinct worldview. I'd probably say...
Atheism=Not that dangerous.
Religion=Much more succeptibility to danger.

Like it or not, by the way, Hitler was cunning, and many would argue that he was very intelligent. He could have been a great leader if he hadn't turned out to be a massive egotistical s***-***d. The point is that he was an evolutionist (if indeed he was, I don't remember hearing this) not because he was an evil atheist, but because that's what most intelligent people think, regardless of psychotic tendencies.

Well, the fact is that it was more the people around Hitler were very intelligent, and much less him. That said, the rest of that paragraph is pretty solid. I've heard that, if he had been killed before the Anschluss (or at least before invading Poland), he would probably be counted as one of the greatest German leaders history, if (more than) a little Anti-semitic.

[Spectrum]

In my opinion, it's good to fight religion passively. Wear t-shirts, engage in debates when challenged, correct someone's inaccurate scientific assertions (such as evolution being completely random & proof of determinism despite quantum physics). You never know who is listening. There are a lot of skeptics who only need a hair of truth to see the light of reason. You are the medium of for that truth. I've witnessed it myself even though I live in the bible belt. Trust me, you'll receive a warm fuzzy feeling when that skeptical person comes up to you and thanks you for showing them something tangible (rather than hollow, preachy promises).

[HeyItsZeus]

They started it.

[R-e-n-n-a-t]

Rev Rye, I submit to your superior historical accuracy. You summed it up better than me.
By the way, I didn't mean it to sound as if Hitler killed for Catholicism so much.

[Rev. Rye]

Rev Rye, I submit to your superior historical accuracy. You summed it up better than me.
By the way, I didn't mean it to sound as if Hitler killed for Catholicism so much.

Thank you. Like I said, anybody who wants to bring up Hitler should at least do their research.

[Spectrum]

Hitler was a bit weak in his Catholicism, at least in my opinion. He seemed like a strong deist with bits of Christianity/Catholicism here and there. It appeared to me that he basically wanted to rationalize his belief with the good ol' "there has to be a god for the universe to exist" argument.

[Rev. Rye]

Hitler was a bit weak in his Catholicism, at least in my opinion. He seemed like a strong deist with bits of Christianity/Catholicism here and there. It appeared to me that he basically wanted to rationalize his belief with the good ol' "there has to be a god for the universe to exist" argument.

That's probably part of it; that said, the idea of just exploiting the religion of the proles is probably just as important, if not more, of a factor.