Trump's ultimate revenge.

[The Industrial Atheist]

Trump was a glitch in math, and he;s been eroding the glitch that propelled him to victory pretty much since it happened...so?

I think he wasn't so much a glitch in the math as the result of effective gerrymandering and the undemocratic electoral college.

[Minimalist]

I don't give a fuck what a book says.  NOTHING could be worse than the miserable fucking piece of sub-human shit that is in there now.

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Not quite ready to tell daddy off herself, I guess.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/we-are-d...-response/

‘We are deeply troubled’: Ivanka and Jared’s rabbis blast Trump’s Charlottesville response

Always let your rabbi do your dirty work.

[Crossless2.0]

And sadly for the folks clinging to the idea that Hillary would be a better president than Trump, there is not a particle in Shattered to establish that belief.

None.

The only logical conclusion that can be drawn (and granted, I'm not done with the book yet) is Hillary would have been different. There is absolutely nothing, not a jot or tittle, to make any claim at all Hillary would have been 'better'.

Jesus, a Hillary West Wing with Mook and Huma, and all the other cretins, back stabbers, liars, incompetents, toadies, brown nosers, lickspittles and idiots would have been a fucking disaster epic the equal of what Trump is inflicting, just different in it's execution.

Almost has me on my knees thanking God Almighty* the guaranteed disaster for the country regardless of the election outcome is it's the Republicans fault with President Trump and not the Democrats fault with President Hillary. Jesus Fucking Christ.


*and I'm atheist, people

I'm disgusted and disappointed by Clinton and her team, but there is just no equivalence between her and Trump. What we have now is infinitely worse than what we would have had with her in office.

And that's what I can't forgive. Her aloof incompetence as a campaigner opened the door to the Oval Office to this staggering train wreck of a human being who now masquerades as the POTUS.

[chimp3]

The Dems could run a pig for president and the Dems will win! Trump is the worst president ever (and I am old enough to remember Tricky Dick!).

[Thumpalumpacus]

Yeah, I agree, but I am still in the "feel sorry for Hillary mode"; part of me is hoping that she will have another go (she would have run anyway had she won, right?), but the Democrats' best hope is a squeaky clean middle-age white guy.

Hillary was never the natural candidate.   She lacked charisma.  Her grasp of policy is dogmatic rather than insightful.  None of her husband's mental or tactical ability rubbed off on her despite 40+ years of marriage.  She is as aloof and inflexible as ever she had been as the student firebrand activist.   The only reason why she is even a candidate is because she rode her husband's coattail to prominence and then assiduously had her tickets punched in order to make her own assault at the high office.   But she didn't shine in any of those posts.  She is like the Harvard MBA hired into an executive rotational programs where she only need to not fuck up too badly in several mid level management posts before somehow deemed qualified to become senior executive.  But when she gets there you find she had learned little of how her company works and continue to spout the theories she learned in business school.

Yes, she would have been infinity raised to the googleplex power better than trump, but it is still hard to imagine that even in Democratic Party of today there is none better than her.

In a phrase, the Peter Principle at work.

[Seraphina]

Everyone knows that The Donald likes to get even; in fact, he can't "help" himself.  It is just his nature.

Here's my prediction -- Donald Trump will lose the 2020 Republican nomination for President, probably, after a long impeachment trial.  He will not resign, and instead, he will run for President as a third-party candidate.  His supporters will support him (even in death) and he will split the conservative vote.  Whoever the Democratic nominee is (even, Hillary, if she decides to have another go) will coast to victory.  The House & Senate will flip to Democratic control.

Your thoughts?

No, we'll be dead in a nuclear holocaust by then.

Next question?

-Teresa

[vorlon13]

And sadly for the folks clinging to the idea that Hillary would be a better president than Trump, there is not a particle  in Shattered to establish that belief.

None.

The only logical conclusion that can be drawn (and granted, I'm not done with the book yet) is Hillary would have been different.  There is absolutely nothing, not a jot or tittle, to make any claim at all Hillary would have been 'better'.

Jesus, a Hillary West Wing with Mook and Huma, and all the other cretins, back stabbers, liars, incompetents, toadies, brown nosers, lickspittles and idiots would have been a fucking disaster epic the equal of what Trump is inflicting, just different in it's execution.

Almost has me on my knees thanking God Almighty* the guaranteed disaster for the country regardless of the election outcome is it's the Republicans fault with President Trump and not the Democrats fault with President Hillary.   Jesus Fucking Christ.


*and I'm atheist, people

I'm disgusted and disappointed by Clinton and her team, but there is just no equivalence between her and Trump. What we have now is  infinitely worse than what we would have had with her in office.

And that's what I can't forgive. Her aloof incompetence as a campaigner opened the door to the Oval Office to this staggering train wreck of a human being who now masquerades as the POTUS.

It gives me no joy to point out your sentiment there is your belief.

There is NOTHING in Shattered to support that belief.  It might even be generous to assert a Hillary administration would have only been as bad as Trumps. Trump did manage to organize a successful campaign from literally a cold start. Hillary has been through 2 successful campaigns with Bill, lost her first solo to Obama, and tragically, not only learned nothing from those 3 campaigns, but demonstrably became worse on her second run.  That is evidence to support a worse expectation for an outcome for a subsequent administration, not a better one.

Literally EVERY page of Shattered has a fail, large or small documented on it, and it is ASTONISHING how many people noted at the time an error was being made and;


-didn't dare point it out for fear of landing on the Clinton enemy list

-were ignored by a higher up in the campaign who was shamelessly pandering to Hillary to curry favor over other higher ups in her chaotically organized campaign structure

-managed to evade Huma's protective screen around Hillary and reported a concern to Hillary and was nevertheless ignored by Hillary herself

-were dismissed for contradicting the analytics

-were ignored because their fix would have cost some money (in a campaign that raised $2 for every $1 Trump's side had)

-were demoralized because amongst the thousands of emails leaked, they were personally singled out for abuse from the higher ups

-and did raise a flag and earned an in-house suspension as a firing might be picked up by the press and generate concerns

-reported it to a higher up who was busy trying to squish another higher up and dropped the ball

-or reported to a higher up who was currently out of favor



I quit dog earing pages 1/3 of the way through the book for horrors to share here as I was dog earing NEARLY EVERY page. 

The book also treats Sanders strangely, IMO.  (and Hillary's response to his campaign) While saying he was not going to be a spoiler for Hillary's election, and the book pretty much is  neutral about the issue, Sanders nevertheless significantly damaged Hillary in the later stages of the primary when he no longer had a clear path to the nomination but would not drop out and was still throwing barbs her way.  And by that point, Trump was in great shape to secure his party's nod and was actually running against Hillary.  And he was echoing concerns and complaints that Sanders was raising.  Hillary was being tag teamed or good cop bad copped, and it hurt her campaign severely.

[Minimalist]

Uh, V.  Dubya ran a successful campaign too.  I'm sure he thanks his non-existent god that the WLB came along so he is no longer the worst president ever.

But the ability to run a successful campaign in a nation that lets morons vote en masse proves very little.  After the campaign comes the job.

Your whining about Hillary does not persuade that had she won we would still have an Education Secy who hates public education.  An EPA chief who wants to destroy the environment.  A Secretary of State who knows nothing except how to such up to the Russkis for oil.  An Energy Department Secy who dances like shit but still dances better than he thinks.  An HHS Secretary who thinks poor people are scum.  An attorney general who belongs to the KKK.  A Treasury Secretary who delighted in throwing little old ladies out of their homes?  Etc., etc. etc.

Oh, and I doubt we'd have one more corporate loving nazi shitstain on the supreme court.

I love you, man, but you are not convincing.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Why are you still talking about Hillary at all, Vorlon?

Why do you insist on deflecting?

[GUBU]

Trump was a glitch in math, and he;s been eroding the glitch that propelled him to victory pretty much since it happened...so?

I think he wasn't so much a glitch in the math as the result of effective gerrymandering and the undemocratic electoral college.

And don't forget the ten million or so voters who were disappeared in the run up to the election who, given their prior record would have voted 85-15 Democrat across the board.

When seven percent or more of the electorate disappers over the course of two years you have to wonder how much further the dictatorship will go.