How Catholic was Hitler?

[Edwardo Piet]

Who cares if he "really" believed, we never really know what theists "really" believe. A lot of them seem to only believe in belief anyway. In that, they hope God exists, they WANT God to exist and they really believe that belief in God is a good thing... but do they deep down really think there's some invisible dude in the Sky? No, they just desperately want there to be. They believe that belief in God is a really good thing. Hitler thought so too.... it's just that in his case he thought that it was a really good thing... for the purposes of taking advantage of stupid people.

[Ravenshire]

Bloody hell!

ANOTHER one?


Or the same one...?

I'm just wondering how long it will take for this incarnation to change his avatar to a version of that stupid fucking bumble-bee.

On topic...
Duh. Of course Hitler was a catholic.

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I wasn't aware that there were different levels of catholicness. Do you get a prize for leveling up?

Yes, but the jeebus is always in another fucking castle!

[KevinM1]

I wasn't aware that there were different levels of catholicness. Do you get a prize for leveling up?

[Edwardo Piet]

OW. You just blew my ears off. That was a million times louder than anything else on my computer.

And it was so loud through my headphones it functioned like speakers and probably woke my neighbors up.

Other than that, hilarious

[Rahul]

Fuxxake, THIS again?  Given how much everyone (apart from a coterie of full-blown whack-a-loons) is pushing and shoving to denounce Hitler, does it make all that much difference which religion he claims?

Suppose for the nonce that Hitler was indeed a Catholic - he accepted the authority of the Pope, believed in transubstantiation, the Sacraments, and all the rest of it.  How does his mindless butchery of 'non-Aryans' in any way invalidate Catholicism?

Because most Christians believe in the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.  If Hitler really was a Catholic he would be filled with the Holy Ghost and would not have been able to do all the horrors he did during WWII. 

If he really was a Catholic, then that is a huge crisis of faith for Catholics the world over.

[LastPoet]

I wasn't aware that there were different levels of catholicness. Do you get a prize for leveling up?

Hmmmm 'shrooms.

[Minimalist]

I wasn't aware that there were different levels of catholicness. Do you get a prize for leveling up?

They have a whole hierarchy of scumbags...right up to the fucking pope.

[Brian37]

As a devout Catholic, I have some real problems with people saying Hitler was "one of us"

It is extraordinarily shameful and embarrassing to hear that kind of shit coming from peoples lips, and quite frankly not even correct.

First of all, I don't think Hitler was an atheist. He said much to the effect of God being on his side, though I think he meant more destiny and the universe rather than Jehovah himself.

True he was baptized into the Catholic Church in his little town in Austria. But practically all gentile Austrians at that time were Roman Catholic. If Hitler were born in Denmark, he would have been Lutheran, and Anglican if he had been born in England.


What Im saying is one's degree of adherence and respect for one's faith surely matters instead of none at all. 

Hitler didn't even reference his love for the Catholic faith when on the campaign trail, more just his reverence for Jesus/Christinaity in general (I suppose it was must given how a slight majority of Germany was Protestant at the time .)

Kind of terrible that he basically won the Christian vote, but that is a topic for a different time.

Did he ever evidence Catholic devotion outside of the campaign trail/public events? Did he and Eva Braun, the woman he lived in sin with ever go to bible studies or say the rosary? Id love to see any evidence that they actually did.

There were plenty of Catholic shrines in occupied Europe at the time. Why didn't the Nazis ever organize pilgrimages to see them in stead to their drunk,degenerate icons such as Horst Wessel and others?

My main point is that Hitler's nominal Catholicism was incidental, as opposed to the driving force behind his anti-semitism and shiftiness in general.

Nazism was at its core a materialistic philosophy, concerned with the material only as opposed to the spiritual. What it wanted was just the supremacy of the Nordic (Northern European race), the enslavement of the Eastern Europeans to achieve that end, and the elimination of European Jewry( apparently a liberalizing, cosmopolitan force.)

I am fairly certain the source of Nazi anti-semitism was not the Traditionalist Christian variety, but the more modern version of the Zionist/Rothchild cabal of world finance  trying to undermine and destroy the "Goy"  .

I don't believe he viewed the Pope as a friend, and he and many high ranking Nazis were frustrated and suspicious of the Catholic Church, since it was an entity that they could never control (unlike those poor fragmented Protestant ones.)

I believe one has to somewhat adhere to Catholic doctrine in order to be a Catholic in a meanginful, serious way.

Is there any evidence Hitler's Catholicism was something he took seriously and loved, or was it just some sort of tribal identification which he never gave much of a thought (the latter is depressingly common in todays Catholic world.)

For being a devout Catholic he sure was mean and cruel to his fellow Catholics. How do you explain this scene and a devoutly Catholic Hitler? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV9H7aWgPv8

I sure hope those nuns weren't sent to Dachau!

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN!

Go look up the "true Scotsman fallacy".

Hitler certainly was not a mainstream believer, he was his own personal brand of deist/Occult/Catholic. He had his own sense of providence and the divine and DID believe in a God, regardless of you wishing he didn't do the things he did. And he STILL convinced a MAJORITY Christian Germany to follow him regardless.

FYI Cuba is a majority CATHOLIC nation. Catholic Churches exist in modern Cuba and are older than the Che revolution. 

Don't confuse silence of dissent as being the same as anti religion. Dictators use whomever tows the party line and will murder dissenters. Hitler did have help from the German Catholics even if not all of Europe's Catholics. 

You not liking what he did does not make him an atheist.  I am sure he murdered religious people, but not because they were religious, but because they dissented, other religious people were happy to do Hitler's bidding.

[Edwardo Piet]

Time for a little bit of intentional committing of the fallacy of equivocation on my part, for comic effect.

How catholic was Hitler?

catholic
[kath-uh-lik, kath-lik]
adjective
1.
broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal.
2.
universal in extent; involving all; of interest to all.
3.
pertaining to the whole Christian body or church.

I wouldn't say he was exactly liberal or broad minded. So easy question, the answer is "No". Next (theists make a fallacy like this all the time, although they hide the evidence (slightly) better than I do by crossing out two of the dictionary definitions ).

[Ravenshire]

As a devout Catholic, I have some real problems with people saying Hitler was "one of us"

It is extraordinarily shameful and embarrassing to hear that kind of shit coming from peoples lips, and quite frankly not even correct.

First of all, I don't think Hitler was an atheist. He said much to the effect of God being on his side, though I think he meant more destiny and the universe rather than Jehovah himself.

True he was baptized into the Catholic Church in his little town in Austria. But practically all gentile Austrians at that time were Roman Catholic. If Hitler were born in Denmark, he would have been Lutheran, and Anglican if he had been born in England.


What Im saying is one's degree of adherence and respect for one's faith surely matters instead of none at all. 

Hitler didn't even reference his love for the Catholic faith when on the campaign trail, more just his reverence for Jesus/Christinaity in general (I suppose it was must given how a slight majority of Germany was Protestant at the time .)

Kind of terrible that he basically won the Christian vote, but that is a topic for a different time.

Did he ever evidence Catholic devotion outside of the campaign trail/public events? Did he and Eva Braun, the woman he lived in sin with ever go to bible studies or say the rosary? Id love to see any evidence that they actually did.

There were plenty of Catholic shrines in occupied Europe at the time. Why didn't the Nazis ever organize pilgrimages to see them in stead to their drunk,degenerate icons such as Horst Wessel and others?

My main point is that Hitler's nominal Catholicism was incidental, as opposed to the driving force behind his anti-semitism and shiftiness in general.

Nazism was at its core a materialistic philosophy, concerned with the material only as opposed to the spiritual. What it wanted was just the supremacy of the Nordic (Northern European race), the enslavement of the Eastern Europeans to achieve that end, and the elimination of European Jewry( apparently a liberalizing, cosmopolitan force.)

I am fairly certain the source of Nazi anti-semitism was not the Traditionalist Christian variety, but the more modern version of the Zionist/Rothchild cabal of world finance  trying to undermine and destroy the "Goy"  .

I don't believe he viewed the Pope as a friend, and he and many high ranking Nazis were frustrated and suspicious of the Catholic Church, since it was an entity that they could never control (unlike those poor fragmented Protestant ones.)

I believe one has to somewhat adhere to Catholic doctrine in order to be a Catholic in a meanginful, serious way.

Is there any evidence Hitler's Catholicism was something he took seriously and loved, or was it just some sort of tribal identification which he never gave much of a thought (the latter is depressingly common in todays Catholic world.)

For being a devout Catholic he sure was mean and cruel to his fellow Catholics. How do you explain this scene and a devoutly Catholic Hitler? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV9H7aWgPv8

I sure hope those nuns weren't sent to Dachau!

He was doctrinaire catholic, just like the thousands of child raping priests and the nuns who buried babies in a sewage tank rather than revealing they'd starved them.

Come now. No "True Catholic"© would do those things!

I hope our latest sock didn't get lost in the laundry?!?



Than again....