Emotions are intrinsically good and bad

[Transcended Dimensions]

[Astonished]

It's only because there are so mercifully few of you that the asylums aren't overflowing.

[bennyboy]

I am not the only one who has this worldview.  There are others out there like me.  So, it would be me, along with them, who are not the deluded ones.  We are the few and proud.

At least you've found a way to feel superior to others, that's the main thing. Good for you.

Let's make it official.  Transcended Dimensions, for your deep knowledge of truth, and your spiritual superiority in all regards, we hereby bequeath you with a well deserved:

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In addition, our positive and negative emotions are objectively positive and negative experiences

It's like you don't have access to a dictionary.

[Transcended Dimensions]

At least you've found a way to feel superior to others, that's the main thing. Good for you.

Let's make it official.  Transcended Dimensions, for your deep knowledge of truth, and your spiritual superiority in all regards, we hereby bequeath you with a well deserved:

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In addition, our positive and negative emotions are objectively positive and negative experiences

It's like you don't have access to a dictionary.

We, or at least, I, do not think that I am special.  I think it is the power of the light which is something truly powerful, beautiful, and special that many people are blind to and have not yet been awakened to.  Lastly, I will go ahead and reword that whole paragraph to this then:

In addition, our positive and negative emotions are objectively positive and negative and they are objective emotions which also means that there can be no subjective positive and negative experience and there can be no subjective emotions either. Without those functioning biochemicals I've mentioned before, then you are like the blind person who cannot have any subjective form of sight. That is, you cannot have a form of sight through your thinking and beliefs alone. Lastly, our emotions are also value judgments. Positive emotions are the objectively good value judgments and our negative emotions are the objectively bad value judgments. This means that there can also be no subjective value judgments either.

[Astonished]

What the fuck difference does it make if emotions are subjective or objective? We've been experiencing them our entire lives, we understand how to change them, how to lose control of them by various means, how to manipulate them by other means, how to change them in an instant, and how the exact same situation can affect two people entirely differently on an emotional level (which would be considered subjective, at least in the underlying cause that triggers the emotional effect).

You should go check out the thread on objective morality. If you use the axiom of well-being, those things that promote and diminish well-being are objective but there is still a lot that has to be decided subjectively as far as what is worse or better in a given situation where consensus cannot be achieved. Maybe then whatever it is you're talking about here will make an ounce of sense or have some semblance of relevance.

[Transcended Dimensions]

What the fuck difference does it make if emotions are subjective or objective? We've been experiencing them our entire lives, we understand how to change them, how to lose control of them by various means, how to manipulate them by other means, how to change them in an instant, and how the exact same situation can affect two people entirely differently on an emotional level (which would be considered subjective, at least in the underlying cause that triggers the emotional effect).

You should go check out the thread on objective morality. If you use the axiom of well-being, those things that promote and diminish well-being are objective but there is still a lot that has to be decided subjectively as far as what is worse or better in a given situation where consensus cannot be achieved. Maybe then whatever it is you're talking about here will make an ounce of sense or have some semblance of relevance.

Maybe this will make more sense to you and clear some confusion up:

Other Person's Response: How can you not see the good and bad value of things in this life independent of those euphoric and dysphoric states?

My Reply: Because it's as though there can be no other "good" or "bad" message to my brain.  It would, again, be no different than a blind person who is not getting the visual signal to his brain that would allow him to visualize colors.  This has been my own lifelong personal experience and I am just sharing it to you and others.  I do not ever recall there being a single moment in my life where I truly saw good or bad value independent of my euphoria and dysphoria.

Other Person's Response: But what if you were feeling nothing but a positive emotion and I called you the worst names, made fun of you, your worldview, and did all sorts of mean and cruel things to you?

My Reply: As long as I am not feeling any negative emotion from that, then, as far as I'm concerned, everything is all good in my life. There would be no "bad" message to my brain.

Other Person's Response: Let me try one last time. If you were feeling nothing but a positive emotion, then would the idea that you would undergo the worst possible torment forever in hell bother you?

My Reply: It still wouldn't. But I would definitely make that choice to do all I can to avoid that hell, nonetheless. The same idea would apply if I was in a completely miserable state and I could do something right then and there to obtain the eternal blissful afterlife of my dreams. None of that would have any real good value in my life during that miserable moment. Nonetheless, I would still definitely make the choice to obtain that blissful afterlife just from knowing that I would live the greatest life of my dreams.

[Astonished]

That doesn't answer my question. What the fuck difference does it make if emotions are subjective or objective? The result is the same, and you're not taking into account that emotional reactions to the exact same stimuli can change, in no time at all, so you're never going to get a consistent response to the questions you raise.

Also, why are you raising the subject of hell now if you claim to believe there's no god? You may technically be an atheist but you sound like some new-age woo-crap believer. Why introduce further irrelevancies when you've already failed to answer the question I asked?

BTW, ask the Vulcans about knowing the difference between good and bad independent of emotion.

[Transcended Dimensions]

That doesn't answer my question. What the fuck difference does it make if emotions are subjective or objective? The result is the same, and you're not taking into account that emotional reactions to the exact same stimuli can change, in no time at all, so you're never going to get a consistent response to the questions you raise.

Also, why are you raising the subject of hell now if you claim to believe there's no god? You may technically be an atheist but you sound like some new-age woo-crap believer. Why introduce further irrelevancies when you've already failed to answer the question I asked?

BTW, ask the Vulcans about knowing the difference between good and bad independent of emotion.

I just brought up the concept of heaven and hell as a pretend scenario to get my whole point across.  Also, why would you consider me a new age woo believer?  As for your question, never mind then.  I think I might have failed at this one.

[Cyberman]

We, or at least, I, do not think that I am special.  I think it is the power of the light which is something truly powerful, beautiful, and special that many people are blind to and have not yet been awakened to.

Funny thing about this light of yours. It's blinding you to the fact that everyone else can see perfectly fine without it; and that just because you think shining it in our eyes may be beneficial to our health, it doesn't give you the right to keep doing it or judge us as ignorant when we ask you to stop.

You're just another religious nut with a self-aggrandising agenda.

[Astonished]

We, or at least, I, do not think that I am special.  I think it is the power of the light which is something truly powerful, beautiful, and special that many people are blind to and have not yet been awakened to.

Funny thing about this light of yours. It's blinding you to the fact that everyone else can see perfectly fine without it; and that just because you think shining it in our eyes may be beneficial to our health, it doesn't give you the right to keep doing it or judge us as ignorant when we ask you to stop.

You're just another religious nut with a self-aggrandising agenda.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at.