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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 9, 2017 at 12:00 am
(October 8, 2017 at 11:56 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: But when you were talking about positive experience being an alternative to positive emotions, this implied to me that positive experience is always something that is there. In other words, it implied to me that, as long as you have the mindset of enjoying your life, then you would be enjoying your life since your mindset would automatically create that positive experience for you. It doesn't imply that at all. Just as your analogies don't imply what you think it does. And just as your premise doesn't imply that time is more important than intensity either.
Positive experience doesn't merely require a positive mindset. Positive experiences are only positive when something positive is experienced. Having the mindset that something you are experiencing is positive when it's actually negative doesn't mean shit.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 9, 2017 at 12:15 am
(October 9, 2017 at 12:00 am)Hammy Wrote: (October 8, 2017 at 11:56 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: But when you were talking about positive experience being an alternative to positive emotions, this implied to me that positive experience is always something that is there. In other words, it implied to me that, as long as you have the mindset of enjoying your life, then you would be enjoying your life since your mindset would automatically create that positive experience for you. It doesn't imply that at all. Just as your analogies don't imply what you think it does. And just as your premise doesn't imply that time is more important than intensity either.
Positive experience doesn't merely require a positive mindset. Positive experiences are only positive when something positive is experienced. Having the mindset that something you are experiencing is positive when it's actually negative doesn't mean shit.
But wouldn't we call that positive quality an intrinsically good quality and the negative quality and intrinsically bad quality?
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 9, 2017 at 12:34 am
(October 9, 2017 at 12:15 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: But wouldn't we call that positive quality an intrinsically good quality and the negative quality and intrinsically bad quality?
Yes. Which is exactly why a mindset isn't required on top of that.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 9, 2017 at 12:47 am
(October 9, 2017 at 12:34 am)Hammy Wrote: (October 9, 2017 at 12:15 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: But wouldn't we call that positive quality an intrinsically good quality and the negative quality and intrinsically bad quality?
Yes. Which is exactly why a mindset isn't required on top of that.
I thought our positive and negative emotions were the only positive and negative quality states of mind in our lives and that how other people defined a positive or negative experience was through simply having a positive or negative mindset. From this perspective, this would mean that all those famous and genius miserable artists, providing they had no positive emotions, would only be dragging their lives on and creating works of art through nothing more than a positive mindset. That is why I first objected to this whole idea of the "miserable inspired artist" because I thought that there could be no positive quality state of mind there as long as you did not have your positive emotions.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 9, 2017 at 12:50 am
Interestingly enough, TD's thread on another forum died easily enough. Not here, for some reason.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 9, 2017 at 1:07 am
We squeeze lemons in shifts.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 9, 2017 at 1:46 am
(October 9, 2017 at 12:47 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: (October 9, 2017 at 12:34 am)Hammy Wrote: Yes. Which is exactly why a mindset isn't required on top of that.
I thought our positive and negative emotions were the only positive and negative quality states of mind in our lives and that how other people defined a positive or negative experience was through simply having a positive or negative mindset. From this perspective, this would mean that all those famous and genius miserable artists, providing they had no positive emotions, would only be dragging their lives on and creating works of art through nothing more than a positive mindset. That is why I first objected to this whole idea of the "miserable inspired artist" because I thought that there could be no positive quality state of mind there as long as you did not have your positive emotions.
You are so confused. You can't make your mind up what your frigging position is.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 11, 2017 at 10:52 am
(October 9, 2017 at 1:46 am)Hammy Wrote: (October 9, 2017 at 12:47 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I thought our positive and negative emotions were the only positive and negative quality states of mind in our lives and that how other people defined a positive or negative experience was through simply having a positive or negative mindset. From this perspective, this would mean that all those famous and genius miserable artists, providing they had no positive emotions, would only be dragging their lives on and creating works of art through nothing more than a positive mindset. That is why I first objected to this whole idea of the "miserable inspired artist" because I thought that there could be no positive quality state of mind there as long as you did not have your positive emotions.
You are so confused. You can't make your mind up what your frigging position is.
Now, I would like to ask you a question. You said that we need a state of mind that possesses a positive quality to it to truly make our lives good and beautiful and that the belief of your life being good and beautiful simply isn't enough as long as you do not possess that positive quality. Therefore, could you present me the articles/evidence that present this?
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 11, 2017 at 11:21 am
(October 9, 2017 at 12:47 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: (October 9, 2017 at 12:34 am)Hammy Wrote: Yes. Which is exactly why a mindset isn't required on top of that.
I thought our positive and negative emotions were the only positive and negative quality states of mind in our lives and that how other people defined a positive or negative experience was through simply having a positive or negative mindset. From this perspective, this would mean that all those famous and genius miserable artists, providing they had no positive emotions, would only be dragging their lives on and creating works of art through nothing more than a positive mindset. That is why I first objected to this whole idea of the "miserable inspired artist" because I thought that there could be no positive quality state of mind there as long as you did not have your positive emotions.
The not is deep really because what.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 11, 2017 at 11:23 am
Been for my mind can't ruck?
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