What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee

[John V]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/41...mas-sowell

We are told that such riots are a result of black poverty and white racism. But in fact — for those who still have some respect for facts — black poverty was far worse, and white racism was far worse, prior to 1960. But violent crime within black ghettos was far less.

Murder rates among black males were going down — repeat, down — during the much-lamented 1950s, while it went up after the much celebrated 1960s, reaching levels more than double what they had been before. Most black children were raised in two-parent families prior to the 1960s. But today the great majority of black children are raised in one-parent families.

Is this some sort of racist way of saying black crime was less during a time when black people knew their place as opposed to when black people gained their freedom from being oppressed by the white man?

You'll take it however you want, but consider that the author is black. Seems clear to me his point is that one-parent families are the problem.

[TheBeardedDude]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/41...mas-sowell

We are told that such riots are a result of black poverty and white racism. But in fact — for those who still have some respect for facts — black poverty was far worse, and white racism was far worse, prior to 1960. But violent crime within black ghettos was far less.

Murder rates among black males were going down — repeat, down — during the much-lamented 1950s, while it went up after the much celebrated 1960s, reaching levels more than double what they had been before. Most black children were raised in two-parent families prior to the 1960s. But today the great majority of black children are raised in one-parent families.

Is this some sort of racist way of saying black crime was less during a time when black people knew their place as opposed to when black people gained their freedom from being oppressed by the white man?

It may be even dumber than that actually since crime overall went up from the 50's and 60's into the 80's and 90's, and then it has been dropping since the 90's. Pointing to crime when the topic at hand is police brutality and treatment of minorities, is nothing more than a red herring.

[Silver]

You'll take it however you want, but consider that the author is black. Seems clear to me his point is that one-parent families are the problem.

Black people can be racist against themselves and other black people. I've seen it.

[TheBeardedDude]

You'll take it however you want, but consider that the author is black. Seems clear to me his point is that one-parent families are the problem.

Black people can be racist against themselves and other black people.  I've seen it.

That argument (from alphamale) sounds too much like "I'm not racist, I've got a black friend and read things written by black people if it fits my preconceived opinions."

[John V]

It may be even dumber than that actually since crime overall went up from the 50's and 60's into the 80's and 90's, and then it has been dropping since the 90's. Pointing to crime when the topic at hand is police brutality and treatment of minorities, is nothing more than a red herring.

It's no red herring. It's obvious that groups which commit more violent crime are more likely to have encounters with police. I don't hear you denying that with respect to male v. female.

[Brian37]

Alpha simply loves pointing and blaming because that is easier than understanding.

Alpha stupidly confuses an explanation of economic conditions as meaning blacks love poverty and crime. That allows Alpha to pull the bullshit white persecution bullshit while trying to pathetically claim blaming blacks is forcing them to take responsibility.

Nobody is advocating blacks default to crime and murder. Nobody is advocating a poverty oath to prove your support for blacks. What the players are protesting, what the sane are protesting, and what we still not have solved even 50 years after the end of segregation, is economic and justice inequality.

Alpha is simply living in a fucking bubble with his fingers in his ears and hands over his eyes, and blame is the petty and lazy way of coddling one's own insecurities in order to ignore a uncomfortable and harsh reality.

[John V]

Black people can be racist against themselves and other black people.  I've seen it.

Sure, it can happen. So ignore his race - can you dispute his facts?

[Silver]

It's no red herring. It's obvious that groups which commit more violent crime are more likely to have encounters with police. I don't hear you denying that with respect to male v. female.

I don't see these cops shooting down the white people they encounter during a given shift; it's just the black people they're gunning down. Can you explain that?

[Brian37]

It may be even dumber than that actually since crime overall went up from the 50's and 60's into the 80's and 90's, and then it has been dropping since the 90's. Pointing to crime when the topic at hand is police brutality and treatment of minorities, is nothing more than a red herring.

It's no red herring. It's obvious that groups which commit more violent crime are more likely to have encounters with police. I don't hear you denying that with respect to male v. female.

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE. Go join the KKK, you'd make a great member.

[TheBeardedDude]

It may be even dumber than that actually since crime overall went up from the 50's and 60's into the 80's and 90's, and then it has been dropping since the 90's. Pointing to crime when the topic at hand is police brutality and treatment of minorities, is nothing more than a red herring.

It's no red herring. It's obvious that groups which commit more violent crime are more likely to have encounters with police. I don't hear you denying that with respect to male v. female.

And yet you seem to ignore WHY minorities have more encounters with police. You need to take a deeper look at what is going on instead of all of this superficial drivel that is more dog whistle for racist and misogynistic bullshit than it is reality.