What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee

[John V]

Better training for police that includes more than just teaching them how to kill people.

Yeah, like I already mentioned when noting the difference between CA and NY. You're late to this party.

Teaching them how to deal with the mentally ill is one good step forward.

That's good in general but unless you're saying that blacks have significantly higher rates of mental illness than whites, it's not relevant to this topic.

Getting rid of the racist cops is another good step (the FBI has known for sometime that local police forces have been intentionally infiltrated by racist groups).

Guess what - in the other thread I already talked about civilian oversight boards. More of them with more power could help get rid of racist cops. Again, you're late to the party.

Homogenizing training across the US is another good step.

Kinda like when I said we should send some NY cops to train NY cops.

Body cameras being used and not abused is another good step. And perhaps most importantly, recognizing the systemic problems in society at large that promote inequality and culling them. Such as the unequal funding of schools in areas with large minority populations.

Do you know what all of the above have in common? They rarely if ever come up in interviews or articles about the NFL kneeling.

Men being killed because of the perception of them being a larger and more significant threat is still NOT the topic at hand. This men's rights bullshit is another topic entirely.

Speaking of red herring - the point has nothing to do with men's rights. The point, again, is that you refuse to consider the possibility that blacks are killed at a higher rate in part because they as a group are more dangerous - much higher murder rates and gang affiliation rates than whites.

[Brian37]

What's your solution Brian? If you guys came up with something more than Derp racism are bad  I might be able to support you.

Better training for police that includes more than just teaching them how to kill people. Teaching them how to deal with the mentally ill is one good step forward. Getting rid of the racist cops is another good step (the FBI has known for sometime that local police forces have been intentionally infiltrated by racist groups). Homogenizing training across the US is another good step. Body cameras being used and not abused is another good step. And perhaps most importantly, recognizing the systemic problems in society at large that promote inequality and culling them. Such as the unequal funding of schools in areas with large minority populations.

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So men are 95% of deaths because sexist policing is the problem?

You keep ignoring this fact which blows away your simplistic stats argument.

That is a straw man of what I actually said. Men being killed because of the perception of them being a larger and more significant threat is still NOT the topic at hand. This men's rights bullshit is another topic entirely.

Thank you and I agree.

Invest  in schools, invest in business, invest in higher education. Invest in affordable housing and livable wages for workers.

This is what Alpha ignores willfully. It isn't a mater of simply saying, "Fuck you I got mine" or "Segregation ended in the 60s".

Alpha still refuses to accept that blacks get hurt worse by economics and our justice system.

And the worst part is that he is not even seeing economics are growing to hurt rust belt and rural states at a growing rate. All we are pointing out is that if you want the entire nation, urban, suburban, rural and middle America all to do better, you need to address those most negatively affected ratio wise. And as I said in my prior post, MLK constantly said that the better blacks do the better everyone does.

All Alpha is spewing is bullshit white persecution. He's simply pissed we are not buying his dog whistle bullshit.

[TheBeardedDude]

Better training for police that includes more than just teaching them how to kill people.

Yeah, like I already mentioned when noting the difference between CA and NY. You're late to this party.

Teaching them how to deal with the mentally ill is one good step forward.

That's good in general but unless you're saying that blacks have significantly higher rates of mental illness than whites, it's not relevant to this topic.

Getting rid of the racist cops is another good step (the FBI has known for sometime that local police forces have been intentionally infiltrated by racist groups).

Guess what - in the other thread I already talked about civilian oversight boards. More of them with more power could help get rid of racist cops. Again, you're late to the party.

Homogenizing training across the US is another good step.

Kinda like when I said we should send some NY cops to train NY cops.

Body cameras being used and not abused is another good step. And perhaps most importantly, recognizing the systemic problems in society at large that promote inequality and culling them. Such as the unequal funding of schools in areas with large minority populations.

Do you know what all of the above have in common? They rarely if ever come up in interviews or articles about the NFL kneeling.

Men being killed because of the perception of them being a larger and more significant threat is still NOT the topic at hand. This men's rights bullshit is another topic entirely.

Speaking of red herring - the point has nothing to do with men's rights. The point, again, is that you refuse to consider the possibility that blacks are killed at a higher rate in part because they as a group are more dangerous - much higher murder rates and gang affiliation rates than whites.

"Speaking of red herring - the point has nothing to do with men's rights. The point, again, is that you refuse to consider the possibility that blacks are killed at a higher rate in part because they as a group are more dangerous - much higher murder rates and gang affiliation rates than whites."

Thus highlighting your ignorance and your racism. Now I feel confident enough to also label you a racist and ignorant and bigoted troll. This will be my last response to you

[John V]

Do you know what all of the above have in common? They rarely if ever come up in interviews or articles about the NFL kneeling.

They have another thing in common - none of them are directly related to the flag or the national anthem.

[TheBeardedDude]

Better training for police that includes more than just teaching them how to kill people. Teaching them how to deal with the mentally ill is one good step forward. Getting rid of the racist cops is another good step (the FBI has known for sometime that local police forces have been intentionally infiltrated by racist groups). Homogenizing training across the US is another good step. Body cameras being used and not abused is another good step. And perhaps most importantly, recognizing the systemic problems in society at large that promote inequality and culling them. Such as the unequal funding of schools in areas with large minority populations.

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That is a straw man of what I actually said. Men being killed because of the perception of them being a larger and more significant threat is still NOT the topic at hand. This men's rights bullshit is another topic entirely.

Thank you and I agree.

Invest  in schools, invest in business, invest in higher education. Invest in affordable housing and livable wages for workers.

This is what Alpha ignores willfully. It isn't a mater of simply saying, "Fuck you I got mine" or "Segregation ended in the 60s".

Alpha still refuses to accept that blacks get hurt worse by economics and our justice system.

And the worst part is that he is not even seeing economics are growing to hurt rust belt and rural states at a growing rate. All we are pointing out is that if you want the entire nation, urban, suburban, rural and middle America all to do better, you need to address those most negatively affected ratio wise. And as I said in my prior post, MLK constantly said that the better blacks do the better everyone does.

All Alpha is spewing is bullshit white persecution. He's simply pissed we are not buying his dog whistle bullshit.

Alpha is the sort of person who can't see past their own biases and has convinced themselves that they are the one with the truly objective opinion on this issue. It is a terrible feedback loop of ignorance and confirmation bias. And one I fear is unlikely to be broken.

[Thumpalumpacus]

You're the one up in arms about blacks protesting.

Don't the whites taking a knee count? I'm against them too.

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Checking the database, 95% of people killed by police this year were...men.

Bias!

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It's clear you're much more concerned when blacks protest in the name of equality. It's clear that you think white protests under swastikas should go unanswered -- but boy, let some football players take a knee for the anthem and you're a regular Energizer Bunny.

Why aren't the protesters concerned about whites killed by police?

You're avoiding my point. I can't say I blame you.

Why do these protests bother you so much? What is it about them that offends you so much that you devote not one but now 28 posts to it ... but when racists march and actually kill a person, it gets one humdrum post from you?

[John V]

"Speaking of red herring - the point has nothing to do with men's rights. The point, again, is that you refuse to consider the possibility that blacks are killed at a higher rate in part because they as a group are more dangerous - much higher murder rates and gang affiliation rates than whites."

Thus highlighting your ignorance and your racism. Now I feel confident enough to also label you a racist and ignorant and bigoted troll. This will be my last response to you

No, you're losing so you're trying to bail out and claim the high ground instead of actually considering whether you might be at least partially wrong.

But as they say, the facts don't care about your feelings.

Murders:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/201...r_2013.xls

Gang afffiliation:
https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Surve...mographics

[Silver]

Murders:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/201...r_2013.xls

Gang afffiliation:
https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Surve...mographics

You still haven't explained how during a cop's shift s/he can encounter white people with no issues, but as soon as the cop encounters black people that is when the casualties seem to pile up. What is your explanation for this?

[TheBeardedDude]

Murders:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/201...r_2013.xls

Gang afffiliation:
https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Surve...mographics

You still haven't explained how during a cop's shift s/he can encounter white people with no issues, but as soon as the cop encounters black people that is when the casualties seem to pile up.  What is your explanation for this?

*waves hands*
Magic

[John V]

You still haven't explained how during a cop's shift s/he can encounter white people with no issues, but as soon as the cop encounters black people that is when the casualties seem to pile up.  What is your explanation for this?

I can't explain your fantasies.