What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee

[Silver]

I did. My silence was an answer.

[John V]

I did.  My silence was an answer.

I was talking to Brian.

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The poverty argument as applied to this case boils down to:

1. Poverty causes crime.

2. Therefore, I'm protesting police shooting criminals

There's no logical connection from the first to the second.

[Rev. Rye]

I love it that he lays the blame for black violence on single parent families, and yet totally fails to figure out that the reasons black people have so many single parent families is because of their oppression; do you know that, back in slavery days, when two slaves married, the vows changed the line "till death do you part" to " till death or distance do you part"? Because there remained the understanding that Massa could legally separate any slave family for any reason. And this was the standard state of affairs until 1865. So please tell us that it's somehow not a result of racism.

[Brian37]

I did.  My silence was an answer.

I was talking to Brian.

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The poverty argument as applied to this case boils down to:

1. Poverty causes crime.

2. Therefore, I'm protesting police shooting criminals

There's no logical connection from the first to the second.

Oh, so police are also the judge and jury then? Awesome, then lets just skip courts and allow the police to murder anyone they are afraid of. Please tell me that is not your argument?

And didn't you just in a prior post point out that whites get shot by police too? I agree. And if you had fucking read you dipshit, I pointed out a story where a white woman was killed because she brandished a pocket knife. 

You even admitted yourself in this thread that it is lopsided when we talk about injury to blacks and whites when it comes to police encounters. 

I find it sick that you think police should always default to shoot first. There is no fucking point to courts if that is your fucking attitude. I think you need to pull your fucking head out of your delusional Dirty Harry fantasy.

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If the black guy just looks threatening, that seems enough for most white people to warrant shooting and killing what they perceive as a dark menace.

^^^^^ That sums up Alpha right there.

[LadyForCamus]

And, you know very well that no one involved in this discussion was implying that, so why frame it as such?

Because it shows that poverty is a red herring with respect to police killings.

Wow, you're really bad at this.  Poverty is related to crime.  Unjustified police shootings are a completely separate topic.

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Are you just going to leave that hanging there?  What are some factors associated with single parent households, you think?

Liberal policies as noted in the article.

What does that have to do with black people?

[Brian37]

Alpha's argument boils down to , "Don't be poor and black"

If you are white and poor, you have rights. If you are black and poor shoot first.

[John V]

I love it that he lays the blame for black violence on single parent families, and yet totally fails to figure out that the reasons black people have so many single parent families is because of their oppression; do you know that, back in slavery days, when two slaves married, the vows changed the line "till death do you part" to " till death or distance do you part"? Because there remained the understanding that Massa could legally separate any slave family for any reason. And this was the standard state of affairs until 1865. So please tell us that it's somehow not a result of racism.

If black single-parent families had been high ever since slavery, you'd have a point. But, that's not at all the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-Am..._structure

Data from U.S. Census reports reveal that between 1880 and 1960, married households consisting of two-parent homes were the most widespread form of African American family structures.[26] Although the most popular, married households decreased over this time period. Single-parent homes, on the other hand, remained relatively stable until 1960 when they rose dramatically.[26] A study of 1880 family structures in Philadelphia showed that three-fourths of black families were nuclear families, composed of two parents and children.[27]

In New York City in 1925, 85% of kin-related black households had two parents.[27] When Moynihan warned in his 1965 report on the coming destruction of the black family, however, the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among blacks.[25] This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of black children were born outside of marriage.[28] U.S. Census data from 2010 reveal that more African American families consisted of single-parent mothers than married homes with both parents.[29] Most recently, in 2011 it was reported that 72% of black babies were born to unwed mothers.[24]

Are you saying that this slave metality somehow skipped a few generations, only to come back in the 1960s and then explode? Seems pretty far-fetched.

[LadyForCamus]

I did.  My silence was an answer.

I was talking to Brian.

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The poverty argument as applied to this case boils down to:

1. Poverty causes crime.

2. Therefore, I'm protesting police shooting criminals

There's no logical connection from the first to the second.

Not a single person here has implied such silliness.  If all you have are straw men, then take your ball and go home.

[John V]

Wow, you're really bad at this.  Poverty is related to crime.  Unjustified police shootings are a completely separate topic.

As noted multiple times, Kaepernick made this about police shootings.

You admit that poverty and police shootings are completely separate.

Who's bad at this?

Gotta keep one eye on the forest...

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Not a single person here has implied such silliness.  If all you have are straw men, then take your ball and go home.

Kaepernick made this about police shootings.

As you don't see a connection between poverty and police shootings, we're in agreement. Thanks for the support!

[Edwardo Piet]

It isn't disrespectful. In fact, the initial protest that started it all last year by Colin Kapernick was intended to be a protest of police treatment of minorities where they took a knee instead of sitting explicitly because they thought taking a knee would be a respectful way of protesting (respectful to military personnel and what the flag stands for).

Ahhh there was a South Park episode on this! That's all I know!