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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 29, 2017 at 1:05 pm
(September 29, 2017 at 12:44 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Alpha, you do understand the difference between correlation and causation, don't you?
No, never heard that before.
Quote:Why is it that you're happy to discuss explainations for these statistics when the posited cause is, "black people are inherently more violent,"
Lady, you do know the proper use of quotation marks, don't you? Apparently not. Anyway, I don't believe that black people are inherently more violent than any other group. I already gave one possible environmental explanation for the fact that blacks are more violent - single parent families. The stats bear this explanation out better than the poverty explanation, as Sowell notes.
Quote:but when someone offers you an alternative explanation your response is, "the cause is irrelevant." It's funny that you thought you could just slide right by that one without anyone noticing. Talk about changing the conversation to make it more palatable, lol.
At the time of the interaction with police, the cause is indeed irrelevant. If a cop shot someone who was about to shoot you, you wouldn't afterward praise the cop if the assailant turned out to be rich, but condemn the cop if the assailant was poor. That would be idiotic.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 29, 2017 at 1:11 pm
Why is a peaceful protest causing more vitriol than when someone was killed?
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 29, 2017 at 1:13 pm
(September 29, 2017 at 1:05 pm)alpha male Wrote: (September 29, 2017 at 12:44 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Alpha, you do understand the difference between correlation and causation, don't you?
No, never heard that before.
Quote:Why is it that you're happy to discuss explainations for these statistics when the posited cause is, "black people are inherently more violent,"
Lady, you do know the proper use of quotation marks, don't you? Apparently not. Anyway, I don't believe that black people are inherently more violent than any other group. I already gave one possible environmental explanation for the fact that blacks are more violent - single parent families. The stats bear this explanation out better than the poverty explanation, as Sowell notes.
Quote:but when someone offers you an alternative explanation your response is, "the cause is irrelevant." It's funny that you thought you could just slide right by that one without anyone noticing. Talk about changing the conversation to make it more palatable, lol.
At the time of the interaction with police, the cause is indeed irrelevant. If a cop shot someone who was about to shoot you, you wouldn't afterward praise the cop if the assailant turned out to be rich, but condemn the cop if the assailant was poor. That would be idiotic.
Nice attempt at back peddling.
"Single parent families". Hey asshole, after my father died my mom raised me as a single parent.
You are now simply trying to dodge the fact that you WERE attaching skin tone to violence.
CONDITIONS you stupid fuckface, not skin tone.
Conditions for black parents are not the same as conditions for their white counterparts.
Black dads want the same as white dads. Black moms want the same as white moms. The difference is that blacks are effected more negatively by economics and our justice system.
This is just bullshit back peddling on your part.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 29, 2017 at 1:20 pm
Brian,
A person is brandishing a gun in public.
Should the police refrain from acting if that person is living below the poverty level?
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 29, 2017 at 1:20 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2017 at 1:26 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(September 29, 2017 at 1:05 pm)alpha male Wrote: Anyway, I don't believe that black people are inherently more violent than any other group. I already gave one possible environmental explanation for the fact that blacks are more violent - single parent families.
Are you just going to leave that hanging there? What are some factors associated with single parent households, you think?
Quote:At the time of the interaction with police, the cause is indeed irrelevant. If a cop shot someone who was about to shoot you, you wouldn't afterward praise the cop if the assailant turned out to be rich, but condemn the cop if the assailant was poor. That would be idiotic.
And, you know very well that no one involved in this discussion was implying that, so why frame it as such?
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 29, 2017 at 1:24 pm
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(September 29, 2017 at 1:20 pm)alpha male Wrote: Brian,
A person is brandishing a gun in public.
Should the police refrain from acting if that person is living below the poverty level?
As it turns out...they often aren't, but they get shot anyway..and this is what's being protested.
Clear that up for you?
(I know, I know, you think they all have guns..but they don't..that'd be us.... - there's -always- a gun in the truck)
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 29, 2017 at 1:27 pm
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If the black guy just looks threatening, that seems enough for most white people to warrant shooting and killing what they perceive as a dark menace.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 29, 2017 at 1:29 pm
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(September 29, 2017 at 1:20 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: And, you know very well that no one involved in this discussion was implying that, so why frame it as such?
Because it shows that poverty is a red herring with respect to police killings.
(September 29, 2017 at 1:20 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Are you just going to leave that hanging there? What are some factors associated with single parent households, you think?
Liberal policies as noted in the article.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 29, 2017 at 1:31 pm
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(September 29, 2017 at 1:20 pm)alpha male Wrote: Brian,
A person is brandishing a gun in public.
Should the police refrain from acting if that person is living below the poverty level?
You know how many Japanese police carry firearms? A very tiny minority.
You know what Japan does not have that America has? OUR PAY GAP. You know what else they don't have? They don't have a porn obsession for firearms.
This is simply another fucking dodge on your part.
I don't care what the fuck your paycheck looks like, skin tone does not dictate violence. It is not genetic. Violence is always a product of economics.
Please stop falsely accusing me of condoning crime. That is not what I am doing, that is not what the players were protecting, that is not what MLK was advocating.
Get this through your tiny pea brain skull.
POVERTY IS NOT A RACE.
POVERTY IS NOT A GENE
Poverty is a result of economic conditions.
And right now poverty affects blacks on average far more negatively than whites.
Unless or until you understand that and accept that you wont understand what we are saying.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 29, 2017 at 1:33 pm
It was a simple question. You really can't answer it?
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