Good person/bad person

[paulpablo]

If it was judgment like this has been a computer game and I'm adding up my score so far, and it's based on suffering/pleasure or well being I've given to others,  I've done pretty good.  I never murdered or raped anyone and I'm really not a cruel person, not very cruel to animals except I do eat meat.  I can be pretty kind and thoughtful.

But I don't think it takes a mentally ill person to do very bad things.  I've been listening to a lot of podcasts recently that are sort of about this subject, more specifically dealing with the importance of knowing how potentially evil you can be.
It's also about moral superiority doesn't come from avoiding doing things you couldn't do anyway.  Just a few examples off the top of my head, I couldn't say Tiger Woods is a horrible womanizer, I'm better than him.  I'm not tempted by anywhere near the number of women he is, just because I don't womanize possibly to the extent he did, it doesn't mean much.
I couldn't say I'm better than a slaver who took slaves as a way to make a living a thousand or so years ago.  I've never had the opportunity to take a slave, I don't deal with any stress I imagine ancient people had to live with, I've never come close to having to make the moral decision to take a slave or not.

There are somethings I could really never imagine doing no matter how hard I try, I suppose it's just not in my genetics.  A lot of things like rape, murder, cruelty are more easy for me to imagine, especially as a teenager when I feel like I was less morally stable and when hormones run wild.  If I'd been put into a situation like a 3rd world country war zone instead of just a pretty bad area in the north west of England in my teenage years I could have been capable of a lot of evil.

What podcasts? Sounds interesting.

There’s a lot of online content by Jordan Peterson. He also does a huge series about stories and lessons in the bible. He’s an atheist but the series is about what he considers to be the good points of the bible. You might like it but it is long winded.

[Catholic_Lady]

What podcasts? Sounds interesting.

There’s a lot of online content by Jordan Peterson. He also does a huge series about stories and lessons in the bible. He’s an atheist but the series is about what he considers to be the good points of the bible. You might like it but it is long winded.

Thanks! I like listening to podcasts when I cook and do house chores.

[Whateverist]

I try to be a good person but sometimes my compulsive kindness prevents me from giving people the honesty they need. I'm working on it.

[Mystic]

I am a vile evil ugly soul that seeks to redeem itself and I am sure of this, not saying it out of humility or anything. I am of the distressed ones, the evil ones who God has promised to heal their evil and save them from their darkness.

[vorlon13]

I try to be a good person but sometimes my compulsive kindness prevents me from giving people the honesty they need.  I'm working on it.

I've withheld some therapeutic slaps over the years. I feel bad about it, the opportunity to straighten out various and sundry ding dongs, maroons, and nullperts doesn't roll around all that often.

[Mystic]

Why:

I prefer everything over God. I mean it. It is like God is the least important witness, that I don't care how he sees me, but care so much about how people who are too ignorant to judge me think of me.

I am a polytheist through and though, which is an injustice that cannot be forgiven.

I must free myself from other than him.

And of my evils, is how I am God's friend in the outward but his enemy in the inward.

And of my evils, is how I talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

And of my evils, is how I see the oppressed but my heart hardly moves.

And of my evils, is how I belittle humans who are more honorable than I am and honor humans that are eviler than I am.

And of my evils, is how I have little resolve to save my soul and have little compassion for myself in that regard.

And of my evils, is how I hardly move to please and see God's beauty, though he is more beautiful and more worthy of being pleased than anything.

And of my evils, is how I turn away from the help of the Guide of time, every time I am helped.

And of my evils, is how I change favors to that of destructive condemnation.

And of my evils, is how I don't implement my wisdom.

And my evils, is having listen to a dark sinister sword that lead me to insanity and despair after that, and how no one despairs of God's spirit but a disbelieving people.

And of my evils is how much evils I have, but am still ignorant to.

And of my evils, is how little I truly regret in my heart my evil path.

[Whateverist]

You lack regret and every other feeling because you're depressed. It is something your body is going through and your mind is fucking you over with koranical guilt.

[Brian37]

I am a vile evil ugly soul that seeks to redeem itself and I am sure of this, not saying it out of humility or anything. I am of the distressed ones, the evil ones who God has promised to heal their evil and save them from their darkness.

NO YOU ARE NOT, whomever sold you that lie should be arrested for child abuse.

NOW again, I DO get to speak on this because I was bullied as a kid.

Someone sold you the horrible idea that you were born bad. Nobody is born bad. 

I never fit in as a kid, my parents didn't understand me, my parents tried to make me something I was not, and I got beat up alot as a kid, so I hated myself, and for no good reason.

Mystic, this isn't something we see in Islam, we see this horrible far right abuse even here in the states with Christians. We see them tell their kids horrible things that each them to hate themselves from the start.

You are not perfect no, nobody is, I am not, but you are not evil. 

A decent human being to me is ANYONE who is non violent no matter what. I don't have to agree with all the claims one makes, but non violence above all else is what I value. 

STOP beating yourself up mentally like that. I am not even angry at you, but mad at the person or people who sold you that idea of self loathing.

If you think like that you will end up doing very needless horrible things to yourself and or others. I was very self destructive as a teen and young adult thinking I was a failure, and stupid, and wrong, and blamed myself for everything. DONT do that to yourself.

I MEAN THAT, as a fellow human, all debate and blasphemy aside.

[Bob Kelso]

I consider myself to be a good person, but most people do.

[Brian37]

Mystic, out of all the theists here, you are not one of the ones I hate. I am deeply concerned, but I don't hate you.

I am trying to speak to you as a fellow human whom sees the same behaviors in myself, and the needless harm I caused myself hating myself.

Any adult whom sells you the idea you are evil from birth does not have your mental health in mind. They are only concerned about controlling you through fear and blame. It took me a long time to realize that I was more at peace with myself when I did not let others get to me. The world is going to say what it says and does what it does, but regardless, no baby is born evil.

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Mystic, you know what could help you relax a bit here?

Try starting a non religious thread about your favorite hobbies, like sports, or music. Do you like soccer? What are some non religious books you like? Do you like traveling? What are your favorite movies?

It may seem like I debate constantly here, but I do other things too. I love watching my Skins NFL football, rant and yell at the TV when they blow a lead and lose a game. No, it's not serious, but it allows me to release my stress. I love telling corny jokes to get people to laugh.

Like, did you hear about the new atheist restaurant? Nothing will be on the Menu.

My mom was my greatest joy to spend time with. We didn't get along as well when I was growing up, but she did become much more relaxed in her old age. I loved doing silly things with her, just to get a smile.

I do that even with my cat. I will dance in front of him and he will look at me like, "really, you had to adopt me didn't you?"

Learn to have some fun, even here talking about non religious things. We do have non religious categories like sports, TV, music, gaming, arts.......

Balance your life, stop beating yourself up.