Consumer confidence hits 13-year high

[Brian37]

And I'm sure if Trump were here he's say 'look at the GDP' I promised 3 point by the end of my term and we have three points now!! That Uge!  lowest unemployment rate in 14 years UGE-Er! And that does even touch the growth spike this country will get when we move our money back in for off shore tax shelters and the big tax brek that is comming!!! That would be the Uge-est boost to growth!!!

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I haven't actually bought anything except the necessities for more than a year.

Don't worry it will trickle down to you soon enough!

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It's been rising since 2011 according to that chart.
I suspect that in 2011, Donald was still watching girls get changed in dressing rooms and grabbing pussy.
Him and Weinstein have a lot in common, apart from Weinstein not having a taped confession.

ah.no..

The GDP has been down around 1.5% (1,8% through out obama 8 years.) just the thought of a business man running the country spiked the last couple months of obama's presidency.

Before Obama's dismal attempt to be an economic leader no other president had ever dipped below 3% GDP that lame duck crashed and burned and with 4 more years of his economic policies through Clinton, would have spelled doom for american financial independence.

That is what most of us saw when voting for trump.

Why "america first resonated."

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Consumer confidence was also extremely high in the Summer of 2007.

Who recalls what happened in 2008?

But, by all means, keep crowing about this largely non-predictive metric.

but there is no bubble here sport. The economic excitment is based on lower taxes, deregulated business practices (less fines and forms to fill out to do business) and an influx of working capitol once the off shore money (8 to 10 trillion dollars) comes back to american banks..

What do you think that money is going to do in those banks? sit there and spontanious multiply? no. that money means loans and working capitol for the people who make the world spin for the rest of us. it is not only loans but bigger returns on investments/investors. which means better chance at joe smow getting loans, all of which means more and high paying jobs.

What was 2007 based on? a unsustainable housing market bubble. What is unsustainable in investing in this country infrastructure, and bring jobs back from over seas?

Trump has NOTHING to do with this recovery, that started YEARS AGO.

He and the GOP value the same bat shit insane economic policies that caused Bush Jr's triple crash.

Sure, you CAN set up short term gains, but long term stability is a much different thing.

Selling the bullshit "let the rich do whatever the fuck they want" makes voters feel good, but it causes LONG TERM DEPT.

If America is stupid enough to give that orange asshat 8 years he'll make Bush's crash look like BOOM.

OBAMA was the start of the recovery, but unfortunately because we've been held hostage by Reagan's trickle down bullshit dems can only do so much.

[Joods]

http://www.businessinsider.com/consumer-...er-2017-10

Holy fucking shit...... FEELINGS do not prevent future bubbles, LAWS DO.

Because of Bush's bullshit we ended up with a triple crash car/housing/bank. 

I could give one fuck less how we feel, what matters isn't short term feelings, but long term LAWs that prevent recessions and depressions. 

FYI IDIOT, our recovery started long before 45 took office. 

Consumers feel? Yea and humans also once as a majority thought the earth was flat.

You certainly can feel good getting drunk too, but if you constantly drive drunk, eventually you will get a DWI or kill yourself or someone else.

I'm sorry Brian, but is all that hostility really necessary? If it had been someone who doesn't support trump, posting this article, would you honestly jump their shit like you did AM? 

Really - this has got to stop with you. It's getting quite unnecessary and you attacking people merely for posting what they think is newsworthy is just getting out of hand. 

It's fine to disagree with someone, but attacking them when all they did was post an article, is crossing a line.

[Brian37]

Holy fucking shit...... FEELINGS do not prevent future bubbles, LAWS DO.

Because of Bush's bullshit we ended up with a triple crash car/housing/bank. 

I could give one fuck less how we feel, what matters isn't short term feelings, but long term LAWs that prevent recessions and depressions. 

FYI IDIOT, our recovery started long before 45 took office. 

Consumers feel? Yea and humans also once as a majority thought the earth was flat.

You certainly can feel good getting drunk too, but if you constantly drive drunk, eventually you will get a DWI or kill yourself or someone else.

I'm sorry Brian, but is all that hostility really necessary? If it had been someone who doesn't support trump, posting this article, would you honestly jump their shit like you did AM? 

Really - this has got to stop with you. It's getting quite unnecessary and you attacking people merely for posting what they think is newsworthy is just getting out of hand. 

It's fine to disagree with someone, but attacking them when all they did was post an article, is crossing a line.

Um no, sorry.

Would you like me to, and for the BILLIONTH time, run over the list of MULTIPLE groups and scapegoating 45 has employed to gain power?

DO NOT expect me to apologize for condemning 45. 

1. Spent 5 years perpetuating "fear the black secret Muslim."

2. Started his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists.

3. Insulted the MILITARY service of McCain and Khan.

5. Shit on 17 intel agencies whom all said Russia WAS interfering.

6. Called for a ban on an entire religion, but who gives a shit about the First Amendment.

7. Attacked sitting judges with no hint of impropriety.

8. Implied threats to political rivals.

9. And IS STILL attacking the free press and STILL attacking service even McCain.

10. Has an ANTI LGBT vice president and lied during his run claiming he would protect LGBT.

11. Attacked peaceful protesters while defending bigoted racist protesters. 

12. Called black NFL players "sons of bitches" 

No...... sorry, do not expect me to play nice with my words with that asshole holding public office. America has already fought to end slavery, and fought for women's right to vote, and ended segregation. We already fought Jim Crow laws, and McCarthyism and we fought white nationalist fascists in WW2 Germany.

I cant have others arrested for supporting 45, but if they do, they will get no sympathy from me knowing he is using his office to divide and scapegoat and shit on the very institutions that are supposed to protect the concepts of pluralism and separations of power.

45 is treating the office like his personal Jerry Springer show out of nothing more than spite and to silence any criticism of his position. He is NOT talking like a western leader, he is behaving like a despot.

I cannot tell you  how to address his supporters but no, I will NOT back down.

AND

I am 51 years old. I am old enough to remember the START of the GOP assault on the middle class when Reagan started Union busting and the age of deregulation and "don't tax the rich". THAT is bad enough, but now on top of corporate protectionism, we have a bigoted childish bully who wants to poor gas on that fire.

[Joods]

Okay Brian - your rant with 45 is one thing. Your unnecessarily attacking another member of this forum for posting a link to an article, is entirely something else.

I don't give a rat's ass about 45. This isn't about him. It is about your bullying of another member here, who gave you no legitimate reason to call him names and attack him the way you did. That is all I'm saying.

Seriously - get some help man. A lot of us are angry with 45. A lot of us are not happy with the things he's done while in office. But that doesn't give anyone the right to attack members of this forum.

[Brian37]

Okay Brian - your rant with 45 is one thing. Your unnecessarily attacking another member of this forum for posting a link to an article, is entirely something else.

I don't give a rat's ass about 45. This isn't about him. It is about your bullying of another member here, who gave you no legitimate reason to call him names and attack him the way you did. That is all I'm saying.

Seriously - get some help man. A lot of us are angry with 45. A lot of us are not happy with the things he's done while in office. But that doesn't give anyone the right to attack members of this forum

I don't need help, those whom support 45 are delusional and there is no polite way to put it.
We've seen where political vilification and scapegoating has gone in the past and it never ends well. 
If anyone supports that vile man, then they are on the wrong side of history. 

Alpha didn't have a gun put to his head nor was he forced to post here. If one chooses to ignore the exploding pay gap since 1980, and one chooses to support the tactic of political vilification and they open their mouth about it with me, they will get an unfiltered response.

WHEN 45 opens his mouth his words hold power, and people take him at his word, even when he is hurting innocent people for no good fucking reason. If one supports that, then they are party to the problem, not part of the solution.  If Alpha didn't want me responding like I have, then he should condemn 45 because 45 is supposed to be a diplomat, not behave like a selfish despot.

I am not the problem and I will not apologize for rightfully condemning bad claims and bad ideas that lead to bigotry and bad economic policy. There is an ignore option on this website, Alpha is capable of adjusting his settings if he chooses. IN REAL LIFE there are minorities worldwide that have to fear far more than getting offended. 
Koptic Christians, Kurdish Christians, minority Muslims, LGBT and atheists in parts of the world have to fear far more than just getting offended. 

I am not oppressing Alpha here, I am not going to have him arrested, nor are the admins going to prevent him from posting here. Alpha and ALL of our theist members, are NOT oppressed here. But no, if anyone even outside this website supports 45 sorry, that is delusional and toxic and flat out dangerous. As inept as Bush Jr was even he didn't talk like 45. Nor did Bush Sr or Reagan. 45s talk must be met with the strongest condemnation, and if the worst his supporters get is offended, too bad. 

I refuse to allow the country I live in be turned into a white hyper nationalist one party fascist state. I refuse to allow vilification of entire races and entire religions by our politicians, especially NOT our president, so I really don't know what you would expect me to say to his supporters, because it will not be, "that's nice".

NO I do not find vilification of entire races or religions or vilification of lower classes by a sitting president "nice". I find it SHITTY, so if one supports that, to me, that is like a gang minion standing behind a gang leader and making excuses for them "I didn't say it he did". Maybe Alpha should not support a bully and tell the bully to shut the fuck up?

Now you take that prior list yourself, READ IT and ask yourself if it would have been OK if Obama had said those things? If the answer is no, do not tell me it would not bother you if Obama said those things and I made excuses for that.

No, sorry, the days for politeness ended 5 years ago and 45 started it, not me, so if his supporters want politeness out of me, they need to start by telling HIM to knock it off. 45 is a vile human being and a dangerous politician and if they support that vile man, sorry, not going to coddle their insecurities. Shoulda picked a better leader.

[Joods]

 

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We've seen where political vilification and scapegoating has gone in the past and it never ends well. 
If anyone supports that vile man, then they are on the wrong side of history. 

Alpha didn't have a gun put to his head nor was he forced to post here. If one chooses to ignore the exploding pay gap since 1980, and one chooses to support the tactic of political vilification and they open their mouth about it with me, they will get an unfiltered response.

WHEN 45 opens his mouth his words hold power, and people take him at his word, even when he is hurting innocent people for no good fucking reason. If one supports that, then they are party to the problem, not part of the solution.  If Alpha didn't want me responding like I have, then he should condemn 45 because 45 is supposed to be a diplomat, not behave like a selfish despot.

I am not the problem and I will not apologize for rightfully condemning bad claims and bad ideas that lead to bigotry and bad economic policy. There is an ignore option on this website, Alpha is capable of adjusting his settings if he chooses. IN REAL LIFE there are minorities worldwide that have to fear far more than getting offended. 
Koptic Christians, Kurdish Christians, minority Muslims, LGBT and atheists in parts of the world have to fear far more than just getting offended. 

I am not oppressing Alpha here, I am not going to have him arrested, nor are the admins going to prevent him from posting here. Alpha and ALL of our theist members, are NOT oppressed here. But no, if anyone even outside this website supports 45 sorry, that is delusional and toxic and flat out dangerous. As inept as Bush Jr was even he didn't talk like 45. Nor did Bush Sr or Reagan. 45s talk must be met with the strongest condemnation, and if the worst his supporters get is offended, too bad. 

I refuse to allow the country I live in be turned into a white hyper nationalist one party fascist state. I refuse to allow vilification of entire races and entire religions by our politicians, especially NOT our president, so I really don't know what you would expect me to say to his supporters, because it will not be, "that's nice".

NO I do not find vilification of entire races or religions or vilification of lower classes by a sitting president "nice". I find it SHITTY, so if one supports that, to me, that is like a gang minion standing behind a gang leader and making excuses for them "I didn't say it he did". Maybe Alpha should not support a bully and tell the bully to shut the fuck up?

Now you take that prior list yourself, READ IT and ask yourself if it would have been OK if Obama had said those things? If the answer is no, do not tell me it would not bother you if Obama said those things and I made excuses for that.

No, sorry, the days for politeness ended 5 years ago and 45 started it, not me, so if his supporters want politeness out of me, they need to start by telling HIM to knock it off. 45 is a vile human being and a dangerous politician and if they support that vile man, sorry, not going to coddle their insecurities. Shoulda picked a better leader.

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Oh Holy Fucking Shit. Here we go. Time for the push back I was trying so hard not to deliver. 

You know, I've tried helping you to be more level headed and to try and be more calm for too long now and enough is enough. You have problems. You need to get a hobby, find something creative to do or get some fucking help.  You respond to posts with your typical 45 rantings when it's not even relevant and then when called out on it, you refuse to acknowledge what you did. You just post more lunacy not even related to the topic. Case in point, that's why I put your shit in hide tags when responding.

I don't know what your goal is here, but if it's to make enemies out of the members here, you're doing a good job. And just because some people don't agree with you, that doesn't give you free reign to act like a piece of shit with your vomitous diatribes of 45 this and 45 that. 

I can't stand trump either, but ranting like a five year old on an atheist forum is not going to change anything that idiot does in office. Your hatred is severely misplaced and you are taking it out on people who are free to post whatever they want here. For someone who has such a hatred of 45, you sure allow him to spend a lot of time rent-free inside your head. Give it a fucking rest already. You wanna make changes? You want to get him out of office? CONTACT YOUR CONGRESS PEOPLE. Or get a petition started or be proactive out in the Real World. Throwing a fit about Trump in nearly every single thread, on a forum where he's never going to see it (or take seriously, even if he did see it, btw) is not the way to accomplish that goal. All you are doing is displaying unhealthy levels of anger and quite frankly, that's concerning. 

Getting angry at someone for exercising his right to post something YOU don't happen to like, that wasn't even directed at you, wasn't about you or had anything to do with you, isn't the sort of behavior that one would expect from a grown man in his 50's. Just because you don't like the person starting the thread doesn't mean you get to be a dick and shit on their thread with an irrelevant rant.  A point you sorely seem to be missing here.

You refuse to see that point and I am done here. 

Alpha Male - I don't always agree with you and I obviously don't share your views on religion or politics, but I sincerely apologize for you being unnecessarily attacked in the manner that you have been in this thread.

[Drich]

Once again your wrong about all they above . And put a great deal of effort into making yourself look like a tool .

do you have evidence that I am wrong or are we just to take it on faith that you are right?

Wrong kind of web site to be preaching faith here sport.

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Is it just me? Or does so much of Trump support rely upon finding an oasis of (sorta) good amongst an overwhelming desert of (definitely) bad?

how is a strong economy 'sorta good" are you a friggen moron? ecconomics/money drives and alleviates 90% of our collective problems.

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Is it just me? Or does so much of Trump support rely upon finding an oasis of (sorta) good amongst an overwhelming desert of (definitely) bad?

No it's more finding good news and convincing themselves it because of Trump. So they don't have to live up to the fact  they voted for a man child .

verses 8 years of less than 3% GDP growth, and literally a doubling of the deficate of every president that came before Obama. in one presidential cycle this man spend dollar for dollar (in the negative) as much money as every single other administration combined! What do we have to show for it? what did we get?

a few warm and fuzzy speeches? seriously? I would rather follow the man child who brings wealth and prosperity back to this country than follow a woman who was actively promoting 4 more years of doom and gloom.

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ah.no..

The GDP has been down around 1.5% (1,8% through out obama 8 years.) just the thought of a business man running the country spiked the last couple months of obama's presidency.

Before Obama's dismal attempt to be an economic leader no other president had ever dipped below 3% GDP that lame duck crashed and burned and with 4 more years of his economic policies through Clinton, would have spelled doom for american financial independence.

That is what most of us saw when voting for trump.

Why "america first resonated."

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but there is no bubble here sport. The economic excitment is based on lower taxes, deregulated business practices (less fines and forms to fill out to do business) and an influx of working capitol once the off shore money (8 to 10 trillion dollars) comes back to american banks..

What do you think that money is going to do in those banks? sit there and spontanious multiply? no. that money means loans and working capitol for the people who make the world spin for the rest of us. it is not only loans but bigger returns on investments/investors. which means better chance at joe smow getting loans, all of which means more and high paying jobs.

What was 2007 based on? a unsustainable housing market bubble. What is unsustainable in investing in this country infrastructure, and bring jobs back from over seas?

Trump has NOTHING to do with this recovery, that started YEARS AGO.

ah.no..

The GDP has been down around 1.5% (1,8% through out obama 8 years.) just the thought of a business man running the country spiked the last couple months of obama's presidency. Why???

Because of the tax and spend mentality of the obama era. Obama's heavy business regulations and 50% corporate tax= money leaving these shores by the boat load to tax shelters/off shore accounts.

I own a business and we are not anywhere near that 50% rate but we flirted around with it once or twice, and when we did here is what your accountant will tell you.

let's Say you are scheduled to clear 1,000,000 in profit for a given 1/4 instead of being hit with a 50% tax if you leave you money here, you invest in a .001% Bank CD type of account that is in a different country. You do not have to pay obama's tax.

Now granted there will be transfer fees and tax you will have to pay in that country where the bank is, say 20%, which means you will loose 250K off your profit, it is still better than leaving the money here after taking a 50% hit in obama tax and leaving the money invested here with a bank even if you were to make 20% return (which will never happen) why? not only because of the capitol gains taxes you will have to pay but also because you have laid out more in the initial taxes than what you could earn back even at a 20% rate!!! So sending the money off shore is the best way for rich people to keep the government out of their money as those 'investments off shore do not present themselves as earings for a quarter but as a deduction under obama's watch.

So for you to say this ecconomic growth starts with obama is utter bullshit to the highest propagandic order. why? because no one would risk touching that money, taking the hit from the bank it was in and again the initial 50% hit the government was due plus any capitol gains that was due to the us and the hosting bank government!!! One could loose 75% of his money by moving while all the obama era tax and spend regulations are in place.

So what does trump offer/do that makes money move that in an obama regeim freezes assetts/ Trump promises to "repatriate" those long forgotten trillions held in off shore accounts for very little tax gains!!! Now ask yourself where does that money go? it does not go into stuffing fat cat mattresses!!!. it goes into banks and yes the stock market.

So what we are seeing now are the really smart people taking everything they have, and buy up everything, because when that 10 trillion in repatriated money gets here that trump says is out there comes back to this economy and hits these shores again, it will blow the roof off of the exchange!

That is what is happening, not some obama leavens mixed in with well wishing and dash dim-o-craps broken dreams..

He and the GOP value the same bat shit insane economic policies that caused Bush Jr's triple crash.

how old are you? 9-11-01 is what tank the market/was the catilist that was the whole point of hitting the world trade center.. it was thought it would destroy the stock exchange forever!

Rather bush smartly infused the market with a call to keep buying and even offer those tax rebates. yes the economy tank, but it never crashed like osama wanted it to.

Sure, you CAN set up short term gains, but long term stability is a much different thing.

Which is what I was describing with the deregulating and simplification of the tax code. I can't tell you how many of my fellow business owners are waiting with baited breath for this tax relief and the million upon million that we are planning on spending once this new tax code is in place. not to mention the new highers we will have to make room for to run all this new equipment. Not to mention the orders for the equipment we sell, from other bsiness owners. went to a trade show last week and I spent three days of talking to people just likeme waiting to pull the trigger so we can afford to expand our businesses!!!

That is long term growth sport, along with the trillions comming back infusing not only the stock market but lending instutions as well. which just means more and more jobs. If trump has his way you douche bags won't be able to remember obama's economic depression

Selling the bullshit "let the rich do whatever the fuck they want" makes voters feel good, but it causes LONG TERM DEPT.

Because the poor and enlighten/educated have it all figured out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHCk0iDeBg&t=396s

How many "rich people" did you see there? how many corporations were represented

If America is stupid enough to give that orange asshat 8 years he'll make Bush's crash look like BOOM.

hey dummy... OBAMA had 1.5% ecconomic GDP growth as an average in his reign. NO president had ever once dipped below 3.0% before him. Trump is on slate for having 4% by the end of his first year!

Can't argue the numbers Even bush2 beat out obama's best efforts as an economic leader!!!

OBAMA was the start of the recovery,

the only recovery obama witnessed was AFTER Trump won the election in that lame duck period between the end of the election and the swearing in of the new president

but unfortunately because we've been held hostage by Reagan's trickle down bullshit dems can only do so much.

how about the 'dim' just sit down and shut it for a while.. you had your turn at bat, and almost pushed us into one world ecconomy. let see what just 8 years
of America first bring us.

[Divinity]

Of course they're at an all time high. Republicans are so fucking partisan, that Obama could have literally cured cancer, created peace in the middle east, dismantled ISIS, and cut taxes across the board, and they'd still say he's a terrible President.

It's all partisan bullshit by the Republicunts who worship their elephant god. That much should be clear to anyone with a brain.

[Crossless2.0]

The claim that no U.S. President prior to Obama 'presided' over an economy in which the GDP dipped below 3.0 is utter horseshit. If one compares annual real GDP growth, there are several examples of exactly that happening prior to Obama's administration. Yes, the economy's recovery was sluggish under Obama, but so were the economies of most highly developed countries following the crash in '08. I doubt it can all be laid at Obama's feet.

Perhaps there's something going on at the macro- level that all of this U.S. political shit-throwing doesn't get at.

[Drich]

I'm sorry Brian, but is all that hostility really necessary? If it had been someone who doesn't support trump, posting this article, would you honestly jump their shit like you did AM? 

Really - this has got to stop with you. It's getting quite unnecessary and you attacking people merely for posting what they think is newsworthy is just getting out of hand. 

It's fine to disagree with someone, but attacking them when all they did was post an article, is crossing a line.

Um no, sorry.

Would you like me to, and for the BILLIONTH time, run over the list of MULTIPLE groups and scapegoating 45 has employed to gain power?

DO NOT expect me to apologize for condemning 45. 

wow... if you believe this crap you are seriously delusional. like seriously I know they put this extreme crap on the news, in hopes 1/2 of it is believed, but you swallow this all hook line and sinker like no one I have ever seen before!

1. Spent 5 years perpetuating "fear the black secret Muslim."

googled it.. not a thing. period. searched 5 pages back just not a thing at all.

2. Started his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists.

Nope. call people who illegal immigrate criminals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TML2cApMueU
"When mexico sends people to the US mexico is not sending the best and the brightest of it's people. Meaning the state is forcing or putting pressure on people who are seen as problems forcing them to leave. Now you maybe completely stupid, but most people are not. in that you may think there are no criminals in mexico. Most people (especially those in texas and in mexico) can grasp the concept of the mexican who is not living in compliance of the law. For non stupid people we understand it is to those criminals that we want to keep out.

Now you can't claim that mexico has no control over it's population and who is sent to the US. As soon as trump took office the number of illegals drop 78%. That is due to the failure of illegal border crossing infrastructure. which has been long said was government controlled. for 78% reduction in just one month... it is almost a confirmation that mexico controlled illegal immigration

3. Insulted the MILITARY service of McCain and Khan.

Simply said He like his hero's not captured by the enemy. Khan family took offense/was paid by the clintons to show trump not all brown skin muslims were terrorists.

5. Shit on 17 intel agencies whom all said Russia WAS interfering.

because the real story was known to trump. a story that is just now comming out

6. Called for a ban on an entire religion, but who gives a shit about the First Amendment.

googled it.. that's a complete lie.

7. Attacked sitting judges with no hint of impropriety.

So?

8. Implied threats to political rivals.

calling marco 'little marco' it hardly a threat, more of a thinly veild comment about his manhood.
Telling Clinton he was going to 'lock her up' as it was pointed out many many times during the campaign that the justice department has final say.
Although the justic department is indeed looking at russian involvement pretty hard now adays, and let's just say obama and the clintons better hope trump is in a pardonable mood.

9. And IS STILL attacking the free press

for not reporting the NEWS Weistein should be a great example of non partisan news that NBC could have reported on but chose to close ranks.. even on the highest level of outright douchbaggery you should be asking yourself what else is and is not true about fake news

and STILL attacking service even McCain.

because McCain is a lying POS who said he would vote down obama care and twice refused to! in fact he singed a bill to vote it down when he knew obama would veto it. THE SAME EXACT WORD FOR WORD BILL was reintroduced under trump and McCain voted against it! His whole platform that put him in office is turning out to be a great lie! he is a "Dim" playing the part of a republican!!!

10. Has an ANTI LGBT vice president

so?

and lied during his run claiming he would protect LGBT.

he said they could use whatever bathroom they wanted in any one of his propeties. now he is simply allowing the states to decide for themselves. (which is how it/this country was supposed to work)

11. Attacked peaceful protesters while defending bigoted racist protesters. 

No he did not, he said both sides were to blame. he not only pointed out that the alt right car driver was a murder/discrace to him self, his, family and country, he also pointed out the alt left brought sheild helmets and clubs, THEN used them to attack not only the alt righ but police!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9AYhdKTe1w

12. Called black NFL players "sons of bitches" 

That is another lie.
He said wouldn't it be great that if the team owners would tell the protesters who would kneel durning the national anthem. "Get those SOBs off the field. He's fired!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acnyF90tNUs

Black white knaper nobody or not. Trump said would it be great if.. Trump himself never even called anyone an sob... just thought it would be great if a team owner would nut up and fire someone disrespecting this country.

No...... sorry, do not expect me to play nice with my words with that asshole holding public office.

What a fake person you are... seriously look at how many times you had to our right lie to yourself in order to compile this list! You take the truth and bend it to a new story then you believe this new story as the truth.. that sport is the defination of delusional. I have posted the truth and provided proof of it like I always do.. I hope your peers see this patter you are playing out as it is very familiar to me in that is how you people all act when presented with truth of God you do not like. often times you change the bible narritive in order to maintain disbelief and hate. I just hope some of you see how crazy this makes you in the face of undeniable fact!

America has already fought to end slavery,

that's a lie as well. slavery simply shifted to non blacks on these shores.

and fought for women's right to vote, and ended segregation.

are you completely stupid? we are fighting each other to resegergate, black and white people. what do you think the ultmate end result will be if movements like black lives matter get everythingthey want???

We already fought Jim Crow laws, and McCarthyism and we fought white nationalist fascists in WW2 Germany.

and you do not see a reseugence in any of that in the Alt left now?

I cant have others arrested for supporting 45, but if they do, they will get no sympathy from me knowing he is using his office to divide and scapegoat and shit on the very institutions that are supposed to protect the concepts of pluralism and separations of power.

45 is treating the office like his personal Jerry Springer show out of nothing more than spite and to silence any criticism of his position. He is NOT talking like a western leader, he is behaving like a despot.

look at how mess up your 'facts are' of course you only see a jerry springer show playing out because in your mind that is what you have created. once you take off your rose colored glasses you might be endanger of seeing the truth

I am 51 years old. I am old enough to remember the START of the GOP assault on the middle class when Reagan started Union busting and the age of deregulation and "don't tax the rich". THAT is bad enough, but now on top of corporate protectionism, we have a bigoted childish bully who wants to poor gas on that fire.

what a f-ing epic dumbass.. you do not have to be 51 to remember the 70s and how american manfucturing became a joke because of the unions and over regulation of the government. that why then "all the best stuff was made in Japan" If not for regan's deregulation and taming of the out of control unions, there woud have been no NAFTA for clinton to give away the rest of our jobs with! we would have simply been priced out of the market with ever soaring costs..

Example I have a 1985 sear christmas catalog at home. 19" american made color TV in 1985 guess how much... 695.00 american microwave oven in 1985.. 780.00 a frige with ice maker 999.99!!! while everyone was still only making 1.25 min wage. and gas was under a 1.00
http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/80selectrical.html

All of those devises were insane in cost because a union worker made almost 20 per hour doing a 5.00 job.

A price comparison would for us to multiple those costs by 6x for our money to equal the buying power of a 1980's dollar bill!!! How can anyone with any f-ing sense want to go back to that? or do you not know/forgot that american made crap was valued 8 to 10 times what it is valued now!