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Did Jesus exist?
October 28, 2010 at 6:07 am
Ok so I created a thread called, 'Where did Jesus get His morality' and for some reason a lot of people doubt Jesus's existence.
So I would love to see some credible books and encyclopedias saying that Jesus did not exist. evilbible.com is an example of something which is not credible.
You can say that Jesus was a fabrication (which historically makes no sense) but this argument has as much crediblity as the idea some creationists think that scientists fabricate fossils for evolution.
I would like to quote Napoleon:
"I marvel that whereas the ambitious dreams of myself, Caesar, and Alexander should have vanished into thin air, a Judean peasant – Jesus – should be able to stretch His hands across the centuries and control the destinies of men and nations"
Can you really disagree with that?
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.
You dont hate God, you hate the church game.
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RE: Did Jesus exist?
October 28, 2010 at 6:18 am
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2010 at 6:44 am by Anomalocaris.)
Encyclopedia? Really?
Find some credible book that says Santa Clause didn't exist.
I would also like to quote Napoleon:
"history is a set of lies agreed upon"
"If I have to choose a religion, the sun as the universal life giver would be my god"
Since you seem to use him leeringly as unimpeachable authority in your favor, surely you would not think of really disagreeing with him on these points?
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RE: Did Jesus exist?
October 28, 2010 at 6:21 am
(October 28, 2010 at 6:07 am)solja247 Wrote: "I marvel that whereas the ambitious dreams of myself, Caesar, and Alexander should have vanished into thin air, a Judean peasant – Jesus – should be able to stretch His hands across the centuries and control the destinies of men and nations"
Can you really disagree with that?
Replacing the word 'Jesus' with 'Muhammad' works just as well. Praise be to Allah!
'We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.' H.L. Mencken
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
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RE: Did Jesus exist?
October 28, 2010 at 6:35 am
Okay, so the Bible says Jesus exists, that is about it. He is only referenced as an object of worship very rarely, but never as a historical figure.
But the Bible has been proved wrong so many times, I trust Spiderman comics more.
"God is dead" - Friedrich Nietzsche
"Faith is what you have in things that DON'T exist. - Homer J. Simpson
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RE: Did Jesus exist?
October 28, 2010 at 6:36 am
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2010 at 6:36 am by solja247.)
Quote:Replacing the word 'Jesus' with 'Muhammad' works just as well. Praise be to Allah!
Mohammad did exist.
Quote:Encyclopedia? Really?
Its called credibility 
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.
You dont hate God, you hate the church game.
"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine
Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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RE: Did Jesus exist?
October 28, 2010 at 6:43 am
(October 28, 2010 at 6:36 am)solja247 Wrote: Its called credibility
What you have is not called credibility.
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RE: Did Jesus exist?
October 28, 2010 at 6:51 am
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(October 28, 2010 at 6:36 am)solja247 Wrote: Quote:Replacing the word 'Jesus' with 'Muhammad' works just as well. Praise be to Allah!
Mohammad did exist.
Yes and there are various numbers of historical evidence for it. What about jesus? Is there any historical evidence other than bible?? Either he was an insignificant person for historians which makes no sense considering his miraculous accomplishments, or he didn't existed at all..
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RE: Did Jesus exist?
October 28, 2010 at 6:53 am
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2010 at 6:57 am by Anomalocaris.)
(October 28, 2010 at 6:36 am)solja247 Wrote: Quote:Replacing the word 'Jesus' with 'Muhammad' works just as well. Praise be to Allah!
Mohammad did exist.
So some half crazed, sectarian, mean-to-his-mother, delusional, sadomasochistic, maglomaniac disgrace of a human being named Jesus, who was crucified by the Romans and whose body rotted until no trace of him remained, may well have also existed. But that is not the Jesus you had in mind when you asked, is it?
Suffice it to say one possessing the salient feature set that would uniquely identifies him as Jesus suitable for your worship did not exist.
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RE: Did Jesus exist?
October 28, 2010 at 7:40 am
Then produce some comtemporary accounts of his life.
Funniest thing is that not even the Cathaholic church can do that.
And you would think that if anyone could, they could.
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RE: Did Jesus exist?
October 28, 2010 at 8:03 am
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solja247 Wrote:Mohammad did exist.
My point was that it doesn't mean there was anything special about Jesus, if he existed (which the quote implied there was).
'We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.' H.L. Mencken
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
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