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Argument from "better to seek proper vision".
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Oh boy!
 RE: Argument from "better to seek proper vision".
October 24, 2017 at 3:56 am
(This post was last modified: October 24, 2017 at 3:57 am by The Industrial Atheist.)
So you're saying it is best to seek guidance, therefore there must be guidance to seek?
I'm not educated in philosophy but this seems like kind of wish fulfillment thinking.  RE: Argument from "better to seek proper vision".
October 24, 2017 at 4:02 am
(This post was last modified: October 24, 2017 at 4:28 am by WinterHold.)
No no no; not feeding the troll; not gonna feed the troll......
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October 24, 2017 at 6:49 am
(This post was last modified: October 24, 2017 at 6:50 am by ignoramus.)
So Atlas, you and MK both love that Allah bloke ...
Why do you not agree with each other in godly matters? Is the qu'ran not clear enough? If not, why not?
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.  RE: Argument from "better to seek proper vision".
October 24, 2017 at 7:01 am
(This post was last modified: October 24, 2017 at 7:02 am by Cyberman.)
All these logical arguments set out to do is postulate scenarios that could make the existence of gods sound plausible. Your point 2, for example, which you concluded was a slam dunk that proves your god - we literally don't have any "reason to believe one can gain vision of guidance", unless and until one can be demonstrated. Your argument doesn't do that, it simply tries to assert that we do and then claim QED based on that. That's why all these exercises are pointless.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
Any level of morality can be said to be nothing but a level of vision of guidance on how to act.
 RE: Argument from "better to seek proper vision".
October 24, 2017 at 8:55 am
(This post was last modified: October 24, 2017 at 9:00 am by c152.)
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Of course. However, "said to be" doesn't equate to "what actually is"; that's the card being palmed. I would argue that any level of morality that requires guidance isn't a moral system, only pronouncements of opinion on moral acts. That's fine as long as those pronouncements account for every possible contingency; the problems arise when one encounters a situation that's not on the list, or which falls between not-entirely-compatible pronouncements.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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