If a non-existent thing can exist, what is it? What is a non-existent thing? What do you mean by existence therefore? What does it mean to exist?
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I believe everything exists.
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Anything that one's imagination can bring into existence, exists. It exists in one's internal reality, in the mind. But many of these things are non-existent in one's external reality, the universe around us. We usually use the word 'exist' as shorthand for 'something that appears to exist in our external reality'. So a non-existent thing in my external reality can exist in my internal reality. A non-existent thing therefore exists.
Non-existent things don't exist Q.E.D. Unless of course you are redefining the word 'existence' in which case anything is possible :S
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It really depends on which reality we are talking about. A fifteen-headed green-bearded unicorn with purple LED hoof lights does not exist. Or at least, it didn't until I just invented it. Now it exists in my imagination. Oh dear, it also seems to exist in your imagination too - sorry about that. It is, however, non-existent in our external reality. But being non-existent there doesn't prevent it existing elsewhere, i.e. in the mind. Therefore a non-existent thing can exist. You don't have to re-define existence, but it does help to qualify it, I agree. I wouldn't suggest that qualifying it is mandatory, however. If it were mandatory, EvF would have to be banned from the forum, or at least receive a warning. He said at the start of this thread, "I don't believe God, miracles or magic are things. That's why they don't exist." But according to dictionary.com, this is a thing:-
![]() Therefore, EvF denies that God, miracles or magic are objects of thought, which they clearly are. Is this not the same accusation that has been levelled at me - redefining words? And even that's overlooking that the word thing doesn't even appear in the definition of exist, but I suppose the meaning of 'exist' is what the thread's about so that objection would qualify for exemption under an obscure subsection of the forum rules. (October 31, 2010 at 7:53 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I believe everything exists. That sounds a lot like Ludwig Wittgenstein. To quote from the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, Quote:1 The world is all that is the case. (October 31, 2010 at 1:11 pm)Existentialist Wrote: But being non-existent there doesn't prevent it existing elsewhere, i.e. in the mind. Therefore a non-existent thing can exist. You don't have to re-define existence, but it does help to qualify it, I agree. This is very good, you seem to be the only one to have picked this up and described it reasonably accurately. If something is thought of, it then becomes a thing. And things exist. You say a non-existent thing can exist, but you probably should say a non-existent thing outside of the mind. Use of language is very interesting if you ask me. RE: I believe everything exists.
October 31, 2010 at 9:32 pm
(This post was last modified: November 1, 2010 at 9:05 am by ib.me.ub.)
EDIT: Dammit, just forget about this post.
(October 31, 2010 at 7:53 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I believe everything exists. God does exist, just only conceptually.
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