Anyone else remember this from Terminator 2 ??

[vorlon13]

Vegas.

Shooter had as tremendous amount of advanced weaponry and unlimited ammo. Shot 600 (!) people and killed <60.

Approximates performance of the Terminator at Cyberdyne.


Look at shooter in Texas church, orders of magnitude less resources and doubled the causality count.


There is something grossly out of whack when you compare the 2 assaults.



Hey, not happy to point this out, and maybe it's the Norco, but haven't seen any mention of this and it is really disturbing to me. Vegas asshole did something that ISN'T physically possible.

This is WAY more outré than anything I've heard discussed about second shooters, fucked up timeline, complicity of Mirage freight elevator.

[brewer]

Distance and the difference between identifying single targets vs spray -n- pray.

[vorlon13]

Vegas shooter was blasting a crowd of 20,000 people.

How could he fucking miss?

This is really rattling my cage.

Remember Black Sunday with Bruce Dern? Another disturbing movie tie in when you consider what the rigged blimp hull was supposed to do.


JFC . . .

[Jackalope]

There's an enormous difference between firing at a smaller group of people at near contact distance and spraying indiscriminately into a crowd from a distance. I'd expect the latter to produce at lot more non-lethal injuries than the former.

How can you miss? Easily, once the crowd starts to scatter - and he didn't miss enough times to wound a shitton of people.

[AFTT47]

I didn't hear that he shot 600+ people.

I guess the question is what percentage of hits will be mortal hits when you are not firing in a precision manner - deliberately going for a kill shot.

I have experience with the M16 in the U.S. Air Force - which is a very similar weapon to what was used here. I could definitely hit a specific individual at the same range if I wanted to. A killing shot is another matter though. I could do it but that would take more careful aim and require more time. If my goal is to amass as high a body count as possible, I'm probably going to fire into the densest mass of people I can see and hope for the best.

Sorry about my coldly clinical response here. I'm just trying to answer Vorlon's question without regard for emotion.

So what percentage of the area of the human body hit with an AR15 round will result in a kill - when medical help is nearby? Is 10% too small a number? I don't know.

I will say that I have often read accounts of serial murders and have thought that if I had those weapons available in that situation, I would have killed a lot more people. I think it's more likely that we overestimate how easy it is to score a killing shot.

Again, I want to emphasize that I'm being deliberately clinical here to answer a question as honestly as I can. I do not intend to trivialize the act of mass murder.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The M-16 round tends to tumble when it hits meat. The wounds are ... impressive ... but unpredictable.

[vorlon13]

My unfamiliarity with firearms and ammo is evident. It just really spooked me to think about it in terms of what I've seen in movies. And we know in movies an important part of it is 'suspension of disbelief'.


I'll accede to judgment of folks with firearm training.

Thanx

[Brian37]

Vegas shooter was blasting a crowd of 20,000 people.

How could he fucking miss?

This is really rattling my cage.

Remember Black Sunday with Bruce Dern?  Another disturbing movie tie in when you consider what the rigged blimp hull was supposed to do.


JFC . . .

Yea, now I know what you mean about Terminator 2. I am not going to view that movie the same way now that you mention it.