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RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 13, 2017 at 5:45 pm
If you were arguing along the lines of "God is not not all-knowing", you would have a point that its negation would carry the meaning that "God is all-knowing". But what you're trying to smuggle in is more along the lines of "God is not not all-unknowing", which is not the same thing at all.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 13, 2017 at 5:52 pm
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(November 13, 2017 at 5:45 pm)Cyberman Wrote: If you were arguing along the lines of "God is not not all-knowing", you would have a point that its negation would carry the meaning that "God is all-knowing". But what you're trying to smuggle in is more along the lines of "God is not not all-unknowing", which is not the same thing at all.
Triple negation, would lead back to negation. Even negations make it go away, and odd negations make it negation again.
So your phrase would mean God not All-Knowing.
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RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 13, 2017 at 5:58 pm
Just as "highly unlikely to be not true" Wouldn't necessarily mean "highly likely to be true".
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 13, 2017 at 6:16 pm
It would mean exactly that. Brush up on logical rules. Double negation. You can always move negations outside, so it would mean not not highly likely to be true. Which would mean highly likely to be true.
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RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 13, 2017 at 6:36 pm
Damn. My Aquinas monopoly is being challenged.
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RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 13, 2017 at 9:01 pm
I prefer discussing the modern version of the Argument from Contingency:
1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence (either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause).
2. If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is God.
3. The universe exists.
4. The universe has an explanation of its existence. (from 1 and 3)
5. Therefore, the explanation of the universe’s existence is God. (from 2 and 4)
It is easier for someone to understand right away. Aquinas' takes getting used to the language and the various threads of logic.
So, which of these premises are wrong?
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RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 13, 2017 at 10:30 pm
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Premise 2. Unsound, and assumes the conclusion. How could that not jump out at you?
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RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 13, 2017 at 10:31 pm
(November 13, 2017 at 9:01 pm)SteveII Wrote: I prefer discussing the modern version of the Argument from Contingency:
1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence (either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause).
2. If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is God.
3. The universe exists.
4. The universe has an explanation of its existence. (from 1 and 3)
5. Therefore, the explanation of the universe’s existence is God. (from 2 and 4)
It is easier for someone to understand right away. Aquinas' takes getting used to the language and the various threads of logic.
So, which of these premises are wrong?
1, 2, and 5.
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RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 13, 2017 at 10:44 pm
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Or the universe need not be any of the above . And the universe requires no explanation.
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RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 13, 2017 at 10:48 pm
(November 13, 2017 at 10:44 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Or the universe need not be any of the above . And the universe requires no explanation.
Yet we keep explaining parts of it, that I like. I don't always understand completely, but I like.
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