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RE: Do you feel different about Bill Clinton's sexual past?
November 15, 2017 at 1:29 pm
Cry A LOT, and try to find out whether or not its true in any way i could.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Do you feel different about Bill Clinton's sexual past?
November 15, 2017 at 4:12 pm
I wonder if thoughts and prayers would do any good here?
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RE: Do you feel different about Bill Clinton's sexual past?
November 15, 2017 at 4:59 pm
(November 15, 2017 at 12:30 pm)shadow Wrote: ...Trump is clearly more a sexual predator ....
I don't recall any actual criminal allegations being made against Trump other than a video of some private locker room talk between two friends. If there are any credible allegations, I wouldn't mind hearing more about them.
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RE: Do you feel different about Bill Clinton's sexual past?
November 15, 2017 at 5:12 pm
Regarding Clinton - Back then, I voted for R along party lines. Obviously, my political views have changed, but whatever I think or thought of his politics, it's pretty clear that the man behaved in a predatory fashion towards women. Even the putative consensual relationship with Monica Lewinsky was highly unethical in the context of public service, let alone his marriage, though the latter is hardly my business.
On average, it seems politicians are scumbags. Go figure.
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RE: Do you feel different about Bill Clinton's sexual past?
November 15, 2017 at 5:20 pm
Roosevelt and Eisenhower both had girlfriends on the side. Ike was boffing his "chauffeur", Kay Summersby, while he was in Europe.
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RE: Do you feel different about Bill Clinton's sexual past?
November 15, 2017 at 6:44 pm
(November 15, 2017 at 4:59 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (November 15, 2017 at 12:30 pm)shadow Wrote: ...Trump is clearly more a sexual predator ....
I don't recall any actual criminal allegations being made against Trump other than a video of some private locker room talk between two friends. If there are any credible allegations, I wouldn't mind hearing more about them.
Firstly, I think we'd have a better discussion if you'd try to choose appropriate arguments. Given that I just said that I think allegations alone are an uncertain way to judge someone on this issue (as in post 48), it's a poor measure for you to introduce right here.
What I think is a more certain measure is what someone says of their own views. Given this:
I know that Trump uses his power to prey on women. He literally said it himself. How can you have any doubt about this?
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RE: Do you feel different about Bill Clinton's sexual past?
November 15, 2017 at 6:49 pm
(November 15, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Divinity Wrote: (November 15, 2017 at 12:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: There are accusations against Hilary too. That she was trying to silence her husband's sexual assault victims.
How would you react if there were multiple sexual assault allegations against your husband?
If she honestly believed that victims of sexual assault should be believed, then she'd be quite the hypocrite. The norm for her, I suppose.
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RE: Do you feel different about Bill Clinton's sexual past?
November 15, 2017 at 6:55 pm
(November 15, 2017 at 6:44 pm)shadow Wrote: (November 15, 2017 at 4:59 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I don't recall any actual criminal allegations being made against Trump other than a video of some private locker room talk between two friends. If there are any credible allegations, I wouldn't mind hearing more about them.
Firstly, I think we'd have a better discussion if you'd try to choose appropriate arguments. Given that I just said that I think allegations alone are an uncertain way to judge someone on this issue (as in post 48), it's a poor measure for you to introduce right here.
What I think is a more certain measure is what someone says of their own views. Given this:
I know that Trump uses his power to prey on women. He literally said it himself. How can you have any doubt about this?
I'm no fan of Trump, but I disagree that this is at all equivalent to Clinton, much less that it's worse.
I think saying what Trump said above is no where near as incriminating as getting accused of rape and/or sexual harassment by multiple women.
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RE: Do you feel different about Bill Clinton's sexual past?
November 15, 2017 at 7:10 pm
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2017 at 7:21 pm by GrandizerII.)
(November 15, 2017 at 1:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Cry A LOT, and try to find out whether or not its true in any way i could.
Suppose it turns out to be true, what then would you do?
I have a dislike for Hillary Clinton, but to be fair, it's never easy to be in such a position especially if you love your husband.
(November 15, 2017 at 6:44 pm)shadow Wrote: (November 15, 2017 at 4:59 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I don't recall any actual criminal allegations being made against Trump other than a video of some private locker room talk between two friends. If there are any credible allegations, I wouldn't mind hearing more about them.
Firstly, I think we'd have a better discussion if you'd try to choose appropriate arguments. Given that I just said that I think allegations alone are an uncertain way to judge someone on this issue (as in post 48), it's a poor measure for you to introduce right here.
What I think is a more certain measure is what someone says of their own views. Given this:
I know that Trump uses his power to prey on women. He literally said it himself. How can you have any doubt about this?
While I have every reason to believe Trump has preyed on women, I do want to note that sometimes men say this stuff just to brag to other men and not necessarily do the stuff they claim they did. It's just sometimes bragging. Still disgusting, though.
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RE: Do you feel different about Bill Clinton's sexual past?
November 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm
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1. The accusations against Clinton are dead in the water . Almost a decade of investigation as far as i'm concerned have put it to rest .
2. The video and other remarks Trump has made make the accusations believable . And the charges remain .
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