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So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
#31
RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
We he/Petros certainly got the whole circumcision thing wrong (thankfully) for the majority of us.

In that he taught that all gentiles had to become Jews (mentally and physically) first then be converted into Christianity. Hence Paul's circumcision of the heart rather than peter's.. "peter circumcision" Smile
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#32
RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
(November 20, 2017 at 4:30 pm)Drich Wrote: We he/Petros certainly got the whole circumcision thing wrong (thankfully) for the majority of us.

In that he taught that all gentiles had to become Jews (mentally and physically) first then be converted into Christianity. Hence Paul's circumcision of the heart rather than peter's.. "peter circumcision" Smile

Circumcision is a hard concept to sell to grown ass men. Paul did a lot of lawyering. Many have accused him of being motivated by power; he lawyered what was Jewish Christianity to make it more palatable to converts in order to more easily expand his sphere of influence.
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#33
RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
(November 20, 2017 at 4:24 pm)Whateverist Wrote:
(November 18, 2017 at 5:56 pm)Haipule Wrote: Luther admitted to manipulating Scripture to teach his theology. He was also very anti-Semitic and his rhetoric of "burn the synagogues" and "kick the Jews out of Germany" was borrowed by the Nazis.

The entire church manipulates Scripture to support their theologic nonsense. The only ones who have it right are the authors of Scripture.

Having read the NT in it's original autographed language I see the unity of one body. However, the clergy divides us infinitely with their theology. Theology, which should be the science of God, has become the showcase of mans goofy ideas! As my brother said:

"Soon after the end of the first-century, so-called theologians of every stripe went to work busily adding their own little twists and spins to the Word of God. In time, these little nuances became unquestionable dogma backed up by absolute power. Many have paid the ultimate price for not following the religious line of the day in lockstep conformity."


To be fair, even if theologians had chosen perfect translations of what the original authors of the bible had written, we might still have those men's goofy ideas.

That's the whole point though!

God in the OT had one set of rule one denomination that he endorsed... look what happened to it. Look at how far it went in the wrong direction meaning people started worshiping the rules themselves rather than using the rules as a way to get closer to God.

The way the NT is written now is that no one preist/pope/high holy whatever can screw it up for everyone else. Rather, each of us in accountable to God on an individual level as there is not priest you must go through to worship God. Emmanuel God is with you meaning God deals directly with you or rather you have the ablity to deal directly with God. This is what sets Christianity the bible speaks about from the old forms of religion.

(November 20, 2017 at 4:37 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(November 20, 2017 at 4:30 pm)Drich Wrote: We he/Petros certainly got the whole circumcision thing wrong (thankfully) for the majority of us.

In that he taught that all gentiles had to become Jews (mentally and physically) first then be converted into Christianity. Hence Paul's circumcision of the heart rather than peter's.. "peter circumcision" Smile

Circumcision is a hard concept to sell to grown ass men. Paul did a lot of lawyering. Many have accused him of being motivated by power; he lawyered what was Jewish Christianity to make it more palatable to converts in order to more easily expand his sphere of influence.

So was peter the infallible word/leader of the church and all should be converted to Judaism then Christianity or was Paul right?
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#34
RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
(November 20, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Drich Wrote:
(November 20, 2017 at 4:24 pm)Whateverist Wrote: To be fair, even if theologians had chosen perfect translations of what the original authors of the bible had written, we might still have those men's goofy ideas.

That's the whole point though!

God in the OT had one set of rule one denomination that he endorsed... look what happened to it. Look at how far it went in the wrong direction meaning people started worshiping the rules themselves rather than using the rules as a way to get closer to God.

The way the NT is written now is that no one preist/pope/high holy whatever can screw it up for everyone else. Rather, each of us in accountable to God on an individual level as there is not priest you must go through to worship God. Emmanuel God is with you meaning God deals directly with you or rather you have the ablity to deal directly with God. This is what sets Christianity the bible speaks about from the old forms of religion.

(November 20, 2017 at 4:37 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Circumcision is a hard concept to sell to grown ass men. Paul did a lot of lawyering. Many have accused him of being motivated by power; he lawyered what was Jewish Christianity to make it more palatable to converts in order to more easily expand his sphere of influence.

So was peter the infallible word/leader of the church and all should be converted to Judaism then Christianity or was Paul right?

It was settled long ago that Paul was right when it became apparent that more gentiles were interested in Christianity. You gotta be right if, 2000 years after your death, people call the letters you wrote to various congregations the "Word of God."
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#35
RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
(November 20, 2017 at 2:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Where did you get your information on John the Baptist, I'm curious, the Bible doesn't reflect your opinion?
 Again where do you get your information, the Bible doesn't reflect your opinion?
 since you have no idea who Jesus is and have never studied to find out your opinion is worthless and means nothing to Christians.

GC

The Bible, again The Bible. Have you read it? If we are taking these books of proof of something, it's proof to me that Jesus wasn't half the man JTB was.
"Are you coming, or shall we look for someone else"
I certainly wouldn't let someone who had done all the groundwork for me rot away somewhere, would you?
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#36
RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
(November 22, 2017 at 4:02 am)Cod Wrote:
(November 20, 2017 at 2:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Where did you get your information on John the Baptist, I'm curious, the Bible doesn't reflect your opinion?
 Again where do you get your information, the Bible doesn't reflect your opinion?
 since you have no idea who Jesus is and have never studied to find out your opinion is worthless and means nothing to Christians.

GC

The Bible, again The Bible. Have you read it? If we are taking these books of proof of something, it's proof to me that Jesus wasn't half the man JTB was.
"Are you coming, or shall we look for someone else"
I certainly wouldn't let someone who had done all the groundwork for me rot away somewhere, would you?

 Seems to me you just skimmed over the NT, it says that John the Baptist was the one to announce the coming of Christ. John said he wasn't worthy to even baptize Jesus and John certainly didn't die on a cross with the world's sins laid upon him.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#37
RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
(November 22, 2017 at 4:56 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(November 22, 2017 at 4:02 am)Cod Wrote: The Bible, again The Bible. Have you read it? If we are taking these books of proof of something, it's proof to me that Jesus wasn't half the man JTB was.
"Are you coming, or shall we look for someone else"
I certainly wouldn't let someone who had done all the groundwork for me rot away somewhere, would you?

 Seems to me you just skimmed over the NT, it says that John the Baptist was the one to announce the coming of Christ. John said he wasn't worthy to even baptize Jesus and John certainly didn't die on a cross with the world's sins laid upon him.

GC

Someone so unworthy announcing the coming of Christ??? He certainly got plenty of peoples attention, and a large group of followers, People came from far and wide to listen to John. Jesus muscled in and basically stole his thunder, that's no way to treat family members is it? Shame on you Jesus.
If John was so sure that Jesus was the one, then why was he asking if someone else needed to be found?
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