Charles Manson, dead at age 83

[Catholic_Lady]

I'm not exactly sure what you are arguing, to be honest. We both agree that Manson shouldn't have gotten an innocent for reason of insanity verdict. If you really thought he had no control over his actions, or that he didn't realize he was doing something wrong, I dont see how you could think it's justifiable to give him a guilty verdict.

Well, no one is really 100% guilty of anything if you want to go really deep in thinking about these matters. But I'm fine with letting the law decide what makes one guilty or not, as long as the legal punishment is fair and the purpose of the punishment is to protect society from people that pose a danger to them and not about retribution. And honestly, mental institutions and "civilized" prisons are not really that different from what I have read and heard.

Also, as i said earlier. Psychopaths don't feel empathy and don't have a conscience. But unless there is something else extremely severe going on in their brains, they still know that killing innocent people in their homes is deemed wrong and illegal by society.

Is deemed wrong. But if they don't really see that it's wrong, then they will have no qualms murdering someone when they believe (erroneously or not) they can get away with it and not get caught.

Ok? If it's illegal, they ought to "have qualms about it." Unless of course, they don't have qualms about going to prison for life, which is exactly what should happen to people like Manson. Whether or not they think they'll get caught is irrelevant.

[Minimalist]

Psychotics don't necessarily see the world as the rest of us see it.

[Aroura]

[Jackie]

[CapnAwesome]

Only the good die young......

[Minimalist]

Essentially, most people will do terrible things, even kill total strangers, if someone with the slightest ounce of authority tells you to.

That's the basis of every army ever formed, my dear.

[LastPoet]

Only the good die young......

Because they had little time to do 'bad'?

[Minimalist]

Old soldiers never die because young soldiers do all the fighting.

[GrandizerII]

Well, no one is really 100% guilty of anything if you want to go really deep in thinking about these matters. But I'm fine with letting the law decide what makes one guilty or not, as long as the legal punishment is fair and the purpose of the punishment is to protect society from people that pose a danger to them and not about retribution. And honestly, mental institutions and "civilized" prisons are not really that different from what I have read and heard.


Is deemed wrong. But if they don't really see that it's wrong, then they will have no qualms murdering someone when they believe (erroneously or not) they can get away with it and not get caught.

Ok? If it's illegal, they ought to "have qualms about it." Unless of course, they don't have qualms about going to prison for life, which is exactly what should happen to people like Manson. Whether or not they think they'll get caught is irrelevant.

Remember, this was your response I originally responded to:

Psychopathy and narcissistic peraonality disorder would be my guess. But nothing severe enough that he couldn't understand that what he was doing was wrong and be deemed innocent.

Do you concede now that understanding that something is wrong and being made aware by society that something is deemed wrong are not the same thing? In the latter case, you're told by others something is wrong, but you may or may not get what's so bad about it. In such case, I do think there is a major deficiency then in moral reasoning.

[Edwardo Piet]

Psychopathy and narcissistic peraonality disorder would be my guess. But nothing severe enough that he couldn't understand that what he was doing was wrong and be deemed innocent.

Do they really understand that what they were doing was wrong? If a person has no conscience, what will make them intuit that this and that is wrong?

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I'm sure I experienced a glitch in reality like this already happened.  Was he on his deathbed before this?  I was sure he already died once.

The Mandela Effect strikes again.

From what I've read Charles Manson was more psychotic than psychopathic. The two are very different. Charles Manson's murders were incredibly immoral, but from what I have read he was acutely deluded in such a way that he genuinely believed that what he was doing was moral. A true psychopath doesn't give a shit about morality and would only pretend to care about morality so they can more easily manipulate people for their own selfish ends. Psychopaths know they're 'evil' and sadistic but they don't give a shit, and Charles Manson whilst being a disgusting murderer... supposedly really genuinely thought he was doing good.