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RE: What is your opinion about Communism?
November 23, 2017 at 1:54 pm
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(November 23, 2017 at 1:27 pm)Aegon Wrote: Communism is fascism by another name.
Uh, no. Communist governments often evolve to assume more of the signal attributes of classical fascism, such as extreme nationalism and corporatism, when classical utopian communism loses credibility or legitimacy. But classic communism and classical fascism are distinct.
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RE: What is your opinion about Communism?
November 23, 2017 at 1:55 pm
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(November 23, 2017 at 8:14 am)Industrial Lad Wrote: If Communism has ever worked, I don't know where. It seems to always go along with Totalitarianism.
Only because the US wont let it work. It came close to working in cuba then America started attacking it, its come close to functioning a few times around the world and each and every time it does the US intervenes and install dictators.
So it is unfair to blame the communist system itself, but rather the environment on which it sits.
(November 23, 2017 at 1:27 pm)Aegon Wrote: Communism is fascism by another name.
Fascism is by definition a right wing term and directly opposite to communism.
Its like saying a very dry water. It cant be both.
Communism can be tyrannical and dictator but it cannot be fascist.
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RE: What is your opinion about Communism?
November 23, 2017 at 1:57 pm
(November 23, 2017 at 1:55 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (November 23, 2017 at 8:14 am)Industrial Lad Wrote: If Communism has ever worked, I don't know where. It seems to always go along with Totalitarianism.
Only because the US wont let it work. It came close to working in cuba then America started attacking it, its come close to functioning a few times around the world and each and every time it does the US intervenes and install dictators.
So it is unfair to blame the communist system itself, but rather the environment on which it sits.
Or maybe it failed and you want to blame something/someone for that failure.
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RE: What is your opinion about Communism?
November 23, 2017 at 1:58 pm
Communism is only economically left wring. It's still socially extreme right.
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RE: What is your opinion about Communism?
November 23, 2017 at 2:00 pm
Problem today is with definition of communism, because it's used today as some sort of a boogeyman by politicians, like free education is communism, medicare, all sorts of subsidies, seems also with net neutrality. I mean if someone tried to set up libraries today he or she would not succeed because that would also be called communism. d
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What is your opinion about Communism?
November 23, 2017 at 2:00 pm
(November 23, 2017 at 1:57 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (November 23, 2017 at 1:55 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Only because the US wont let it work. It came close to working in cuba then America started attacking it, its come close to functioning a few times around the world and each and every time it does the US intervenes and install dictators.
So it is unfair to blame the communist system itself, but rather the environment on which it sits.
Or maybe it failed and you want to blame something/someone for that failure.
That's like kicking a car door in and saying it was bound to be damaged in a crash anyway.
It never had a chance to prove you wrong.
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RE: What is your opinion about Communism?
November 23, 2017 at 2:01 pm
Oh boy...
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RE: What is your opinion about Communism?
November 23, 2017 at 2:02 pm
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(November 23, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Hammy Wrote: (November 23, 2017 at 1:14 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: What is a good idea if it doesn't actually work? That's called a bad idea.
The whole point of "in theory" as opposed to "in practice" is that it doesn't need to "actually work" in practice. Jesus.
A good idea in theory isn't necessarily a good idea in practice . . .
The previous paragraph on your post actually made a lot of sense and I was going to kudos your post until I read this last line. Which prevents me from kudosing it because it might mislead people into actually thinking that I think that something not being a good idea in practice means it's not a good idea in theory when obviously I don't think that.
With regards to your first paragraph, I agree that democracy is so far the only form of government that has actually worked. And in fact I think this quote is very appropriate:
There are certainly HUGE flaws with democracy (as demonstrated by Brexit and Trump winning), but it's far better than every other form of government that has been tried so far.
I believe results are part of what makes something a good idea. If you go out drunk driving and crash, you don't say it was a good idea in theory.
If something doesn't work again and again and again how is it a good idea in theory?
What you believe, as always, remains a mystery, since, as usual, it comes with no explanation as to why something can be a good idea in theory but not in practice. Par for the course for you though. Maybe one day I'll be able to get actual reasoning out of you.
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RE: What is your opinion about Communism?
November 23, 2017 at 2:06 pm
(November 23, 2017 at 2:00 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (November 23, 2017 at 1:57 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Or maybe it failed and you want to blame something/someone for that failure.
That's like kicking a car door in and saying it was bound to be damaged in a crash anyway.
It never had a chance to prove you wrong.
And you never had a chance to prove it right. Bald assertions.
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RE: What is your opinion about Communism?
November 23, 2017 at 2:07 pm
(November 23, 2017 at 1:24 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: (November 23, 2017 at 12:20 pm)Hammy Wrote: Was 1984 ever made into a movie? Because I usually don't have great enough attention span to read through a whole nove - ooh what's that shiny thing!
Yes.
John Hurt was 6079 Smith, and Richard Burton was O'Brien.
Rats getting ready to eat John Hurt's face . . . .
I think the original 1950's version is out there (full movie) on youtube.
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