Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.

[purplepurpose]

MK, can't God just let people die and don't "play"(God: Love Me, heaven or hell) with them? We aren't some f toys, even if that Asshole is God. Can't he just go and f himself or whatever?

[Mystic]

God does leave people to themselves when they become allergic to guidance and inspiration, in that trial, people have to battle without guidance of God, and that is a hard trial, and God helps them but also leaves them to their devils and selves.

You can rely on yourself all the way to your destruction or rely on God and his guidance and his guides and books and the explanation of his navigating captains to justice. Up to you.

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The thing is sometimes we need a snap shot of time before we corrupt all meanings of ancient words and throw them out of the context of their origin and what they meant to humans back than.

No we don't.  It is now the 21st century.  Why don't you join in and consign that silly book of bullshit to the dustbin of history.

Nuking two cities is justified in this century, no century has been so far removed from goodness and wisdom than this century.

[Brian37]

God does leave people to themselves when they become allergic to guidance and inspiration, in that trial, people have to battle without guidance of God, and that is a hard trial, and God helps them but also leaves them to their devils and selves.

You can rely on yourself all the way to your destruction or rely on God and his guidance and his guides and books and the explanation of his navigating captains to justice. Up to you.

No, no no no no no..........

An "allergy" is something you medically have for things like pollen or food.

What you are protecting is your own ego and insecurities. Most humans don't like their social norms questioned. So it is not just you.

Humans form groups, even if that group centers it's grouping around completely false claims. Grouping is good for survival, but that group can base their beliefs on completely false perceptions. 

MK, please don't preach either, preaching and making implied threats do not impress us one bit.

Yes it is up to me, and that is the point. I've seen enough of the world's religions to know that was then and this is now. You can not make me frightened of a non existent being anymore than you are frightened of Apollo.

[Mystic]

You have a problem with sweet food from the sky Brian, to the extent, you given up on finding it and justify by saying look at all the false claims to God and the sacred out there.

I will repeat: Falshood widespread is never and will never be justification to give up on finding the truth.

[Brian37]

God does leave people to themselves when they become allergic to guidance and inspiration, in that trial, people have to battle without guidance of God, and that is a hard trial, and God helps them but also leaves them to their devils and selves.

You can rely on yourself all the way to your destruction or rely on God and his guidance and his guides and books and the explanation of his navigating captains to justice. Up to you.

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No we don't.  It is now the 21st century.  Why don't you join in and consign that silly book of bullshit to the dustbin of history.

Nuking two cities is justified in this century, no century has been so far removed from goodness and wisdom than this century.

What the fuck does using Nukes have to do with shit? And why do you assume everyone here agreed with that? FYI the use of Nukes on Heroshima and Nagasaki was still done by a Christian majority nation. And Muslim nations and Israel have Nukes too. And if you have forgotten MY X WIFE is Japanese and her grandparents were our enemy BACK THEN. But I don't hold that grudge, nor am I or they responsible now. Japan and America are now allies. 

MK you sound like our Christian fundies here, "Things would get better if we mixed more Jesus with government."  

You should worry about Trump, not us. You should worry about our Christian Fundies, and Bibiinuttyfuckwho. I am the guy on the outside looking at ALL THREE shouting, "HEY ASSHOLES, Jews and Christians AND Muslims, please don't fuck up the only planet I live on with your stupid sky hero wars.'

I hate Trump, and I hate the fundies he panders too, and if you are afraid of Trump nuking the middle east, or North Korea and starting WW3, GUESS WHAT, SO AM I. But that does not make the theocracies of Iran or Saudi Arabia better by proxy. It merely means right now America has a fucking dick as president.

[drfuzzy]

You have a problem with sweet food from the sky Brian, to the extent, you given up on finding it and justify by saying look at all the false claims to God and the sacred out there.

I will repeat:  Falshood widespread is never and will never be justification to give up on finding the truth.

Most of the world would say that what you are claiming is falsehood.  But, of course, you have to say that THEY are all wrong and go back to your mental masturbation.

[Mystic]

You have a problem with sweet food from the sky Brian, to the extent, you given up on finding it and justify by saying look at all the false claims to God and the sacred out there.

I will repeat:  Falshood widespread is never and will never be justification to give up on finding the truth.

Most of the world would say that what you are claiming is falsehood.  

Is this really true? We'll see. Most people haven't been exposed to my ideas.  I believe however God is best at explaining but we need his appointed guides as helpers to understand, and we need to help them manifest their understanding, and we all have to express the truth of God's reasoning in our own words with expression, and that will help people understand his revelations.

At any rate, if my ideas are falsehood, may they die and perish, and if they are truth, may the truth prevail and may I help in that regard. Amen Lord of the Worlds.

[Brian37]

Love knows everything there is to know,  God says love the family of the reminder for therein lies the remembrance of all that loves knows and "ask the family of the reminder if you do not know".

We were ignorant and had no means to knowledge in ourselves, but God provided us with reminders through Messengers and brought them out in forms of chosen families, and even manifested the wisdom of their number and designated a constant number of successors to the founder, and the reason is simple "so that they may understand my word" (Moses regarding Aaron) and knot on Moses tongue was due to ignorance of people and the propaganda they were use to hearing.

I just noticed under your name over your avatar you have the word "Witness".

Man, if I had a nickle for every Christian who used that same word, I'd make Trump look broke. 
 
Boy you make me want to pull my hair out with your horrible logic. You cant even see you sound NO DIFFERENT than the Christian fundies whom are as sure as you think you are. 

FYI, Moses DID NOT EXIST nor did Jesus. Jews were never slaves in Egypt in any case.

[Mystic]

Love knows everything there is to know,  God says love the family of the reminder for therein lies the remembrance of all that loves knows and "ask the family of the reminder if you do not know".

We were ignorant and had no means to knowledge in ourselves, but God provided us with reminders through Messengers and brought them out in forms of chosen families, and even manifested the wisdom of their number and designated a constant number of successors to the founder, and the reason is simple "so that they may understand my word" (Moses regarding Aaron) and knot on Moses tongue was due to ignorance of people and the propaganda they were use to hearing.

I just noticed under your name over your avatar you have the word "Witness".

Man, if I had a nickle for every Christian who used that same word, I'd make Trump look broke. 
 
Boy you make me want to pull my hair out with your horrible logic. You cant even see you sound NO DIFFERENT than the Christian fundies whom are as sure as you think you are. 

FYI, Moses DID NOT EXIST nor did Jesus. Jews were never slaves in Egypt in any case.

Bro I get it, all claims seem the same to you regarding religion. So you gave up. I'm just telling you that is not a good attitude.

[Abaddon_ire]

All claims ARE the same regarding religion.