Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.

[Mystic]

Their (Abraham, Moses) truth however is not proven by mentioning their names, but the reasoning of Quran. And if you believe in Mohammad because Quran mentions by name, that is a pathetic reason to believe in Mohammad, it's circular and has no meaning.

As for the names of Imams in Quran, it's the sweetest themes.

[WinterHold]

Their (Abraham, Moses) truth however is not proven by mentioning their names, but the reasoning of Quran. And if you believe in Mohammad because Quran mentions by name, that is a pathetic reason to believe in Mohammad, it's circular and has no meaning.

As for the names of Imams in Quran, it's the sweetest themes.

No answer?
Thank you; troll

[Nay_Sayer]

[Mystic]

It's not an argument, I am asking Atlas, because he has read Quran many times. He has missed a theme that is found in so many Surahs or even perhaps even in some way or another indirectly all of them.

So he should know how Bani-Israel became misguided. If he can't see how they fell astray and how they were to be guided, than he is reading things either carelessly or making light of the warnings therein.

And Catholics and Baptists have read the same holy books too. 

Why post at all if you don't believe what you believe? I am being fair because this post is also aimed at Atlass.

You both make claims, just like Protestants and Catholics.

Brian, we get it, all claims seem the same to you and you give up on distinguishing reasoning that has evidence and reasoning that doesn't, and reasoning that proves and reasoning that does not.

The subject is getting side-tracked to the names issue of Imams in Quran. I will come back to it.

I will first prove decisively Al-Qurba refers to near kin of Mohammad.  Then that will open up themes in Quran about their names.

If you understand each act in Salah and it's wisdom in Quran,  you don't need to be told explicitly what it is to know it's there, but chances are you would not see it without the explicit explanation of the Messenger to begin with.

Everything pertaining to guiding humanity is in Quran, but not only Quran, but somehow in the explanation of the Messenger, and his family provide guidance and words of light that manifest how that is so and why and perfect the intelligence of humans.


42:23 has a place with so many subjects of  Quran, but the haters of Ali and his chosen offspring, always try to trivialize it and make it to something so trivial.  That is the nature of how they treat all verses with respect to the sacred family of the sacred reminder.

And the wage verse spread out in Quran, with many themes, all linking back to how important 42:23 is.

[Brian37]

This is what atheists see when religions debate each other even within their own label.





^^^^^^^^^ That is what theists see, but bellow is what we conclude.

[Mystic]

At the end of it, I will prove Islam through this thread. Because the blindness to the family of Mohammad and themes with respect to them pertaining to their rights, is a proof dark forces exist and they are doing their best to keep people away from the family of Mohammad, and it will prove that thesis decisively when it becomes clear how clearly they were there, emphasized through out the Quran.

May God bless Mohammad and his family, always, in every moment.

[Brian37]

At the end of it, I will prove Islam through this thread. Because the blindness to the family of Mohammad and themes with respect to them pertaining to their rights, is a proof dark forces exist and they are doing their best to keep people away from the family of Mohammad, and it will prove that thesis decisively when it becomes clear how clearly they were there, emphasized through out the Quran.

May God bless Mohammad and his family, always, in every moment.

Yea, pretty pathetic that Allah cant do his own work and needs you to help him.

[Angrboda]

Their (Abraham, Moses) truth however is not proven by mentioning their names, but the reasoning of Quran. And if you believe in Mohammad because Quran mentions by name, that is a pathetic reason to believe in Mohammad, it's circular and has no meaning.

As for the names of Imams in Quran, it's the sweetest themes.

Fail.

[chimp3]

Define reason!

I can point you to those who define reason in the best way. 

They are the people who God has perfected in it them, and who God perfects the reason of others through.

Find them.

Don't pass the buck! If you can define them, you can define reason! You use it as a device. now, define it!

[drfuzzy]

At the end of it, I will prove Islam through this thread. Because the blindness to the family of Mohammad and themes with respect to them pertaining to their rights, is a proof dark forces exist and they are doing their best to keep people away from the family of Mohammad, and it will prove that thesis decisively when it becomes clear how clearly they were there, emphasized through out the Quran.

May God bless Mohammad and his family, always, in every moment.

Don't worry about proving Islam.  We know it exists.