Christianity a scam?

[Mister Agenda]

I've read the Bible cover-to-cover twice and the Gospels many times. I think Dnte makes a good point. Maybe you're really, really terrible at judging whether someone has read your favorite book or not. One thing reading it front-to-back accomplishes is making more Christians into atheists than any other single book.

Wrong, the world is full of people you do not know.

GC

Non-sequitur much?

[NuclearEnergy]

I think another thing that hints at it being a scam is the fact that the Bible has been altered several hundred, [maybe thousands of times] throughout history in order to fit someone's own political agenda. It is very likely that the bible that we have today isn't near the same thing as it was when it was first written. Many Christians claim it's the same exact thing, but I fucking doubt that! Just look at how they have even changed it today, to make it "more modern". Christianity is just full of so much bs. I am just astounded that people actually believe in that stuff. Sure, I guess I get why some people want to believe in a God that is loving and all caring. Gives people hope and something to believe in. But when people use that belief to harm others is what baffles me. I mean, if there was a God then I really don't think he'd care what religion one belonged to. He would mostly likely care that you are a good person and not a dickhead.

[Minimalist]

I don't see them having done so if they thought he was a fraud.

So allah is real, C/L?




Humans throw their lives away for stupidity all the time.

Besides, since there is no evidence for "jesus" he did not need his Merry Men, either.

[Catholic_Lady]

I don't see them having done so if they thought he was a fraud.

So allah is real, C/L?




Humans throw their lives away for stupidity all the time.

Besides, since there is no evidence for "jesus" he did not need his Merry Men, either.

But Jihadists actually think Mohammed is who he says he is though. If Jesus' friends were helping him set up all these hoax miracles, clearly they'd know He was a fraud. Not sure why they'd die for Him then.

[brewer]

I was thinking that maybe Jesus (the human prophet) staged all his miracles and made people believe he did all those things. His followers were religious zealots, so they helped him out. He probably paid someone to act as if they were blind/cripple/etc. and when he touched them, the person would have pretented he was cured. 

When he was executed for being a public annoyance, his followers removed his body from the tomb and made everyone believe he resurrected and went to heaven.

Sounds a bit conspiracy theoryist to me.

Imho, it makes more sense to think the miracles were made up somehow and never actually happened than to think they were all staged in some sort of elaborate hoax.

Furthermore Jesus' disciples willingly died horrible deaths for Him. I don't see them having done so if they thought he was a fraud.

Didn't the Heavens Gate followers suffer the same fate? I could name others. It's not that special.

[Ravenshire]

Furthermore Jesus' disciples willingly died horrible deaths for Him. I don't see them having done so if they thought he was a fraud.

14 of Muhammad's desciples died horrible deaths on 9/11. I don't see them doing so had they thought he was a fraud. Unlike your 12, we know these 14 actually existed. You converting to Islam?

[SteveII]

Sounds a bit conspiracy theoryist to me.

Imho, it makes more sense to think the miracles were made up somehow and never actually happened than to think they were all staged in some sort of elaborate hoax.

Furthermore Jesus' disciples willingly died horrible deaths for Him. I don't see them having done so if they thought he was a fraud.

Didn't the Heavens Gate followers suffer the same fate? I could name others. It's not that special.

You and Gentleman Bastard missed CL's point entirely. The disciples would have gone to their death knowing of their fraud. Heaven's Gates and Muslims do not know of any fraud. Apples and oranges.

[John V]

Most scholars say Jesus existed. Ok but... I was thinking about the Bible. I've read the whole new testament and some parts of the old testament (probably 1/3 of it.)

I was thinking that maybe Jesus (the human prophet) staged all his miracles and made people believe he did all those things. His followers were religious zealots, so they helped him out. He probably paid someone to act as if they were blind/cripple/etc. and when he touched them, the person would have pretented he was cured. 

When he was executed for being a public annoyance,

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that someone who was just in it for profit wouldn't have annoyed the Pharisees to the point they wanted him dead.

If you need a scenario to doubt the gospels, go with him simply being a teacher, and all the miraculous stuff was added over time. There's absolutely no evidence for that, but at least it doesn't have logical problems like the above.

[Angrboda]

Most scholars say Jesus existed. Ok but... I was thinking about the Bible. I've read the whole new testament and some parts of the old testament (probably 1/3 of it.)

I was thinking that maybe Jesus (the human prophet) staged all his miracles and made people believe he did all those things. His followers were religious zealots, so they helped him out. He probably paid someone to act as if they were blind/cripple/etc. and when he touched them, the person would have pretented he was cured. 

When he was executed for being a public annoyance,

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that someone who was just in it for profit wouldn't have annoyed the Pharisees to the point they wanted him dead.

If you need a scenario to doubt the gospels, go with him simply being a teacher, and all the miraculous stuff was added over time. There's absolutely no evidence for that, but at least it doesn't have logical problems like the above.

Meet Jim Jones, atheist and cult leader.

[John V]

Is there a point to that?